Bowling for Columbine

Robert

Robert

Robert

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Wow...just watched it :(

I'm quite amazed at how bad the situation was there.

Also I quite like Michael Moore, why do so many dislike him?
 
Robert said:
Also I quite like Michael Moore, why do so many dislike him?
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Because he uses half-truths, manipulation and doesn't give the other side of the story, at all.

I don't mind though. Interesting stuff, especially Bowling. Marylin Manson came across very well I thought
 
one of the things that you have to remember with pretty much everything that michael moore throws out, is that while he tells a story, it is just that, a story.

Oh most of what he says is true, but it's truth tailored to fit the point he is attempting to make.

Take for example, early on in bowling for columbine, he opens a bank account and walks away with a rifle. Yes that was the offer with that particular bank. What he didn't mention was that to get the rifle, he had to wait for three weeks while they did checks on him (as with anything gun license related)
 
3 weeks you say? - it looked like he just got the gun there and then!

have you seen sicko by the way? - a good film i thought, the nhs bit is abit.. sickingly sweet though, you have to laugh at those bits :)
 
Moore has a valid point to get across, but I sometimes disagree with how he does it. He uses dodgy editing too much for my liking.

It's worth checking out some of the facts about the NRA and Charlton Heston's speeches... don't believe everything that Michael Moore wants you to believe. For example, if you watch the film again pay attention to the speech given in Columbine and you'll see Heston's clothing changes between cuts during the speech. ;)
 
Theguy said:
3 weeks you say? - it looked like he just got the gun there and then!
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That's because it's what he wants you to believe :)

Theguy said:
have you seen sicko by the way? - a good film i thought, the nhs bit is abit.. sickingly sweet though, you have to laugh at those bits :)
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The NHS is good for some things, but to a neutral by-stander it looks like nirvana compared to the evil US system.

Similarly, the French system, which I've had considerable experience of, isn't necessarily quite as rosy as it's made out to be in the film.

It's still worth watching though... as long as you realise what his tricks are ;)
 
I love Moore's films. He's a fat, pompus, 'git' who goes round fighting for worthy causes by using facts and figures with no context.

A bullet killed this man, bullets should be banned!

Its great to watch.

Its also very dangerous to people who aren't quite on the ball enough to see that he is only telling one side of the story.
 
Hen_Dawg said:
Because he uses half-truths, manipulation and doesn't give the other side of the story, at all.
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That's pretty much it. He makes strong arguments disguised as documentaries.

I've enjoyed his films so far, you just have go into it knowing exactly what it is you are watching.
 
Yeah he only tells one side of the story, but then usually so do the people he's complaining about.

He doesn't provide balance to his own arguments, but he does provide balance to his targets arguments.
 
I don't like him because he is a one sided egotistical **** but that doesn't stop me watching his films. Like all subjects it's good to see both sides & as long as you remember you are only getting One side of the story through his films they are well worth a watch.
 
Interesting trivia - The animated 'History of the United States' sequence in the film was NOT done by Matt Stone and Trey Parker, it was inserted after their interviews to make it look like they'd done it.
They were/are very annoyed by this, which is why they blew up Michael Moore in Team America. They said it was very satisfying.
 
GarethDW said:
It's worth checking out some of the facts about the NRA and Charlton Heston's speeches... don't believe everything that Michael Moore wants you to believe. For example, if you watch the film again pay attention to the speech given in Columbine and you'll see Heston's clothing changes between cuts during the speech. ;)
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Exactly, it just highlights the manipulation Moore uses to get his points across.

I would respect him far more if he didn't use such tactics.
 
as someone mentioned, he is putting across "the other side" so his films are going to be one sided, that is kind of the point of them
yes it's a bit dangerous if people dont go in realising that, or knowing the other side
because of the films fairly strict relevance to the US a lot of people over here dont really know the other side of what he's arguing about, obviously there's the big things like iraq, availability of guns in the states, but he is presenting an alternative argument to what in the states is the norm, over here our norm is a bit different so people get swept up by what he says very easily because they're stunned by what he's talking about. whether ammunition is available from supermarkets has never been an issue in this country other than for the potato bazooka specialists
 
Nitefly said:
Exactly, it just highlights the manipulation Moore uses to get his points across.

I would respect him far more if he didn't use such tactics.
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as an addition to my previous post, i think if he were making the films for a british audience or just a non-US audience there wouldnt need to be anywhere near as much manipulation, although that is to an extent just his style
 
Abraham said:
as an addition to my previous post, i think if he were making the films for a british audience or just a non-US audience there wouldnt need to be anywhere near as much manipulation, although that is to an extent just his style
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I'm not sure thats true, a British audience can be equally misled by bias. Lets not forget channel 4's woeful report on global warming.
 
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