Boy Chancellor Gideon Osborne U-turns on stealing money from orphans

[Freakbro]

I can't see the problem with reversing a bad decision.

No, but it's making so many bad decisions in the first place that they then need reversing is the problem.

It's all well and good to say "we're listening" when you make the u-turn....but it would have been better to do the research in the first place.

Like the 'pasty tax' what about all the reasons they gave why it needed to be brought in....they aren't important anymore?

Or is it the sign of a government that has lost it's political nerve and changing with the wind on public opinion...

 

[Pudney]

Like the 'pasty tax' what about all the reasons they gave why it needed to be brought in....they aren't important anymore?

Or is it the sign of a government that has lost it's political nerve and changing with the wind on public opinion...

They haven't got rid of it, just redefined what counts as serving hot food. To something more practical and sensible.

The serving of hot pasties will still be VATable though.

 

[malfunkshun]

To be honest I think this governments method of "have an idea, it gets proved to be flawed/bad, abandon it" is much much better than the Labour method of "have a bad idea, ignore the people who prove/say its bad, push ahead with it and screw the consequences"

I agree, however I shall just say this to politicians "engage brain first, then open mouth".

 

[malfunkshun]

They haven't got rid of it, just redefined what counts as serving hot food. To something more practical and sensible.

The serving of hot pasties will still be VATable though.

The serving of reheated pasties will be taxable. Hot, straight from the oven where it was cooked is not taxable.

 

[hurfdurf]

Precisely, the problems with making all charitible donations tax free is explained brilliantly here by Bill Maher...

A good post

 

[Pudney]

The serving of reheated pasties will be taxable. Hot, straight from the oven where it was cooked is not taxable.

From experience if it was going to be kept hot (i.e. only sold straight from the oven as no others are available) then it will probably be VATable.

But I'm not a VAT bod so could be wrong!

 

[Tefal]

another tax avoidance loophole reopened, the third one this week. where are the usual suspects to condemn this?

petitioning for even more loop holes to be opened as they still havn't twigged that the best avoidance loop holes are the ones that are "media friendly" like charitable donations: p

 

[Tefal]

I agree, however I shall just say this to politicians "engage brain first, then open mouth".

well that's frankly utterly stupid unless you want politicians alone to make decisions.

they come up with an idea (or it is proposed to them) they must talk about it with other politicians the public and experts so that it's merits and flaws can be analysed. Yes, this means that they will put thier foot in it supporting bad ideas before they are overturned/flaws discovered but as long as they listen to evidence afterwards that is a very sensible strategy.

If you went into an engineering environment and told people not to put forward ideas unless they had single handedly made them fully formed, tested and checked then you'd have a pretty **** department by the end of the month.

 

[muon]

I posted in the wrong thread, but here are my comments.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18409261

I thought that this was a very good plan.

another tax avoidance loophole reopened, the third one this week. where are the usual suspects to condemn this?

It's seems lobbying for special exemptions is alive and well in this country.

I actually liked this new direction the conservatives had taken.

 

[estebanrey]

A more accurate thread title...

Media Campaign Run By Upper Middle Class Millionaires Wins To Retain Their Right To Deduct Tax From Their Donations To The Royal Opera House and Eton.

...the funniest thing about this is the left wing who have been complaining about this rule.

 

[Dolph]

The serving of reheated pasties will be taxable. Hot, straight from the oven where it was cooked is not taxable.

and the tax avoidance came from companies like greggs, who take the pasty out then keep it warm for 4 hours... the u turn is somewhat unclear on this practice.

 

[singularity]

The bottom line is they can't seem to decide what they are doing.

 

[Irish_Tom]

well that's frankly utterly stupid unless you want politicians alone to make decisions.

they come up with an idea (or it is proposed to them) they must talk about it with other politicians the public and experts so that it's merits and flaws can be analysed. Yes, this means that they will put thier foot in it supporting bad ideas before they are overturned/flaws discovered but as long as they listen to evidence afterwards that is a very sensible strategy.

If you went into an engineering environment and told people not to put forward ideas unless they had single handedly made them fully formed, tested and checked then you'd have a pretty **** department by the end of the month.

I don't think there's anything wrong with proposing ideas, discussing them openly and honestly with all parties involved and then coming to a decision on whether to implement them or not.

However, I'm not sure The Budget is the right place to announce such proposals.

Whether correct or not, I (and I expect a lot of people) see the budget as a list of policy changes that have already been proposed and discussed, decided they are a good idea and are going to be implemented.

That's why they are being called U-turns, rather than just 'ideas we had that we decided weren't good enough'.

Or am I being naive in thinking that these changes have or should have gone through some sort of feasibility process before being announced in The Budget?

If they do go through such processes, what are they doing so desperately wrong to keep misjudging the media and public reaction?

 

[Freakbro]

^ Exactly, well put.

 

[Smolex]

Labour will be back in a couple of years anyway, and it will be back on the merry go round.

Because they were so amazing in government. Spending money they didn't have and taxing everything left right and centre.

 

[Mr Jack]

The idea was solid but the timing and implementation poor.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

The idea was solid but the timing and implementation poor.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

The idea was solid but the timing and implementation poor.

The hypocrisy of it all

I bet Toryboy Gideon loves sticking the plements to the poor

 

[estebanrey]

The hypocrisy of it all

I bet Toryboy Gideon loves sticking the plements to the poor

I don't get this argument that this tax was 'an attack on the poor'. Do rich people not eat pasties? Do poor people only eat pasties?

If the answer to either of those is no (which it is) then how is it an attack on the poor?

I think it says more about the attitudes of people making statements like the above to the poor than it does about Tory policy, do you think poor people spend all day in Greggs?