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Brexit Discussion - The new thread

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Feek, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. Terminal_Boy

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    Why isn’t Boris locked up inside The White Tower?
     
  2. Cern

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    I totally disagree. It's absolutely vital that Parliament was recalled, it is an essential part of the process and should never have been prorogued with so much important business to get through by 31st October. Parliament are not distracting from anything, MPs are trying to do their jobs, to hold an out of control government to account and try to achieve an exit from the EU which isn't catastrophic for the country.

    The distraction is Johnson's showboating bluster to try and divert attention from his lies and attempts to unlawfully shut down Parliament.
     
  3. Caracus2k

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    Well let's have a general election then to see if we can get a majority government then.

    There's a clear unequivocal option for thoose that wish to remain in the EU and It would only mean putting up with the lib Dems for a maximum of five years.

    .... Oh that's right we won't have a GE because the majority of parliament is comprised treacherous snakes who are trying to reverse a democratic decision they don't like and are running away from a GE until they can ensure the UK either never leaves the EU or does so only in name only terms that mean we end up worse of then we currently are with no option of making our own way free of the EU yoke.
     
  4. Jono8

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    Why do you and the Tories think people will have definitely changed their mind about who represents them in parliament after 2 years, but not whether we leave the EU after 3 years?

    The election was more recent than the referendum...
     
  5. do_ron_ron

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    You do not seem to understand politics. The opposition is not there to do the Govt's job. Why would the Opposition Parties allow the Govt of the hook while they can let them dangle and harm themselves politically, especially with Johson's loose mouth?
     
  6. TJM

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    Whether the courts have changed the law or 'unveiled' it often isn't clear, but the unanimity of the decision (including judges who could never be called radical and went against Miller last time) suggests it was the latter.

    It is well established in public law that the exercise of the prerogative is open to judicial review and that the government must act rationally. It would have been completely reasonable to think that the proroguing of Parliament wasn't justiciable because there was no case law that explicitly said so, but the power hadn't been so blatantly abused in modern times as to invite a legal challenge.
     
  7. TheOracle

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    Priti Patel's looking rather nice this evening

    Parliaments a total farce
     
  8. dowie

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    They're like Pavlov's Dogs when he mentions the "surrender act" :D
     
  9. Caracus2k

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    Because as much as you may criticise Boris he isn't likely going to be as incompetent as Teresa May was in going after her own voters with unpopular polices when she needed to increase her parties majority.

    And let's remind ourselves of what the lib dems said in that election

    When they are now a party that claims they will just revoke brexit.

    If your are so sure labour and/ or the lib dems can win a majority this time let's put it to a vote.

    I suspect, like our politicians, however you full well know what the likely outcome of that would be.
     
  10. NiCkNaMe

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    Mate, I've watched it since 11.30 this morning. Nothing but fighting and point scoring has occurred. Except for some brief interludes to point score ref BJ awarding a 100k contract to some American.
     
  11. NiCkNaMe

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    Point being is that spending 8hrs so far slagging each other off is achieving nothing. It's distracting. The energy of government should be elsewhere. They are not scrutinising, they're all running agendas. If this is it's purpose it's broken.
     
  12. do_ron_ron

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    He was Mayor of London with the whole IT Dept at his call if he wanted lessons in IT. He gets 'lessons' in her flat instead. and she is awarded Govt money.
     
  13. Terminal_Boy

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    The PM has turned his Trigger-O-Matic up to 11 today. More bites than a fresh brain at a zombie convention.
     
  14. Jono8

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    So what, that didn't answer my question. If people have changed their mind about what party they want to represent them in Parliament, surely they may have changed their mind on Brexit too.

    An election will likely solve nothing if a clear majority is not returned. Even if there is, it still might not solve it.

    The only way to actually solve it , is a legally binding 2nd referendum.
     
  15. Caracus2k

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    That it took three courts to actually come up with a final decision on this matter seems to completely escape some peoples attention when calling for Boris head on this matter.

    For my part I think the first court had it right when it said that whatever the arguments were it wasn't a matter that they should exercise jurisdiction over.

    We have now set a very dangerous precedent re our (un written) constitution and expect that ever more political decisions, potentially far removed from brexit, will now be dragged in front of the courts.
     
  16. dowie

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    It is quite amusing, each time they call him out for saying "the surrender act" he just stands up in his rely and says it again... they've been getting hysterical over it, the obese one earlier was getting properly riled up and he calmly rises up and just mentions it again.
     
  17. Cern

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    Watched it all day too. I agree about the constant point scoring. It was probably inevitable given the tensions surrounding the shutdown, but still rather unedifying to see. Guess we’ll see what happens once there’s actual business to debate rather than just responding to statements. Ultimately though, it’s absolutely right that Parliament is sitting again.
     
  18. Kenai

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    The usual lifers ticking red or blue because red or blue, with the rest split among Lab, Con, LD and BP, probably resulting in a Conservative majority due to holding most of the Leave voters whilst Lab and LD finish 2nd and 3rd everywhere because they're targeting the same voters.

    Maybe even a situation where 'remain parties' have a significant overall majority vote count but not the seat wins to show for it, that would really throw petrol on the fire :p
     
  19. iamtheoneneo

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    Becuase he know he has all the power. The opposition are absolutely pathetic and he knows it and that his position is secure.

    That's a pretty scary thing.
     
  20. Caracus2k

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    With a questions designed to ensure leave won't ever win because the leave votes is. split multiple ways I assume?