Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Feek, Sep 5, 2019.
May's Home Office culture has not changed, expect a dawn raid by Immigration officials.
With nurses and doctors I'm all for anyone that can fill a position would be welcome. We got about 40k vacancies for nurses in UK, and I think it is aroudn 10k for doctors... And it will not be getting better considering upcoming retirees, dropping numbers at uni, decrease of nurses coming from Europe etc...
With barrier to entry I can say it is not that high for nursing. Problem is that a lot of people applying for nursing don't seem to realise what it actually means to be a nurse. And there is a huge drop out of student nurses as well. I was supposed to start my Band 4 training in January (Foundation Degree level) and when we had the interviews we had to do a literacy and numeracy test. On the numeracy test we had to score 50% correct answers, yet a huge number of people failed that test...
I thought all nursing was degree level nowadays.
That's what I thought too.
Would hope so, but some of the stories I've heard from people's hospital stays in recent years...
It is a degree, but there is varous levels you can obtain it. As I work as a Health Care Assistant in the NHS I could go through a pathway to first do about 2 years as a foundation degree to become a Band 4 Associate Practitioner and then a 2 year degree to become a Registered Nurse (Band 5) while I work so I wouldn't need to go to uni for 3 years full time.
There is also a 4 year degree you could do while still working (if I remember correct).
My issue with the nursing training is that is too much focus on hollistic care and everything around nursing instead of actually looking after a patient and understanding what is going on with the patient. Too many newly qualified nurses lack a lot of understanding in the pathological side of nursing and generally seems to know what to do "because this regulation and legislation states we do it like this" instead of "this is what happening to the patient and we do this to counteract on that"... And the management love to load us with various paperwork to fill in to achieve goals and prevent things which leads to less time for nurses to actually deal with the patients themselves.
A lot of nurses are also fairly reluctant to deal with patients more than at drug rounds as well unfortunately...
It's like that everywhere in the public sector now. Paperwork for every little thing. You know it's bad when the army is having to fill in risk assessments for having a dart board in their kitchen.
It also varies a lot from Trust to Trust as well. I just wonder why can't it be more centralised and organised in the NHS?
It used to be. Then the tories broke it up, introduced the internal market, and primed the different trusts to in-fight, ripe for privatisation.
Mostly the low skilled and poorly paid ones....
Studies that show little overall effect on employment as a result of mass migration mask that it is the poorest in the host countries who bear the brunt of the negative consequences whilst it is the better of who tend to reap the benefits...
So it's always nice to see certain forum posters here harping on about thoose 'thick/stupid' leave voters who are themselves apparently too dense to realise that perhaps some of them voted the way they did knowing they were getting the rough end of the deal and not because they were misled.
Posted this in the Election thread, but needs posting here too...
Brexit and Brexiteer divisiveness and willingness to undermine institutions is destroying global faith in the UK...
But most seemed to be under the impression they'd get a better deal post Brexit - so I'd say they were misled.
As usual you are putting the horse before the cart, they aren't taking these jobs 'from' British citizens they came over to do these jobs since there were vacancies to be filled as British citizens aren't aspiring to do these jobs anymore, as evidenced by the struggle these sectors are having in filling vacancies now the EU numbers are falling. Why aren't these postions being snapped up by the locals if those jobs were being taken away from them?
Yea yea, no one votes to make themselves worse off. Funnily enough, this is why the Leave side didn't campaign on a slogan of "Vote for Brexit, make yourself even worse off for the next 10 years and wait 50 years to see what any benefits might be"
No, they voted exclusively on the fact that voting for Brexit would make their lives better [in what ever form that manifested to the individual], from day 1 in fact, because it would sort out all the issues of their lives, which were coming exclusively from the EU [so they were told]. So yea, you do have to be pretty thick, gullible or naive to have believed that and then you have to be even more stupid, disingenuous or a charlatan to now say that people voted for Brexit under the knowledge things would get harder for them, in any term - short, medium or long.
Back to the debunked myth Brexit makes economic sense. Look at the figures. Appreciate how Brexit is going to dwarf these numbers you're talking about, and its effects are hitting exactly that same group.
How obtuse does someone have to be to keep returning to the same, flawed argument over and over, only to have it disproved, over and over, and lack capacity to review and improve their worldview?
I did a summer strawberry picking as a youngster. Seem to recall everyone being English(though it was 30 years ago so may be wrong). At what point did the English get too arrogant to do these jobs. Is this not a problem of our own making which got solved by the EU? Rather than a problem caused by the EU.
Education, Education, Education... remember that?
We had a massive push towards higher education, with the aim of 50% of school leavers to go to university. We changed all the polytechnics into universities and opened the access to all with student loans.
Children are educated now to aspire to be better, gain a higher education and get a good job, very few people look at working on the land or in a factory as a life choice anymore.
And now with technology and the internet thrown into the mix, do you want to be out grading potatoes in the freezing cold or do you want to make your money an easier way?
Yeah but that only rules out some of the workers. These are also generally seasonal jobs rather than a life choice.
Either way its just another load of brexiter guff as these EU workers were never a problem.
Everybody wants better for themselves now. I interviewed a new graduate 15 years ago who told me he wasnt prepared to "get out of bed for less than £25k per annum". unfortunately for him we had at least 6 people apply for the job who were all qualified and experienced at doing the job who all wanted less money than that.
Our lowest paid "unskilled" worker is a flag layer where I currently work. I can train anybody to do that quickly. Its a physical job and outside all year round. We pay £13.50 per hour plus overtime and its based up North. Can we find people prepared to do the job? No, there is a shortage as young people dont want the hard work and outside jobs anymore. So I can fully understand why nobody wants the minimum wage strawberry picking jobs
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