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Brexit Discussion - The new thread

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Feek, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. Greebo


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    Plus havent they updated it in the last 6 weeks?
  2. ebilcake


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    Found this interesting, but who knows, remainers are liars so you can't trust a word they say anyway.

    "Fifty four per cent agree the referendum result should be respected, the survey by ComRes found. Just 25 per cent disagreed and 21 per cent didn’t know. Of those who voted Remain in 2016, more than a third (35 per cent) said they now wanted Brexit delivered."

  3. chrismscotland

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    I honestly don’t know why Kwarteng keeps getting put up in front of the media, he’s a complete shambles most of the time.
  4. Colonel_Klinck

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    Do you have a link? Google isn't supplying one.

    Edit: don't worry found it on BBC2
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2019
  5. robfosters


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    That document is nothing earth shattering that we never knew anyway.
  6. Cern


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    What does the redacted section say then?
  7. robfosters


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    I reckon it's about military stuff. Troop movements etc.
  8. DarkHorizon472


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    You knew all that and voted for brexit without being able to explain how it benefits the UK, your faith must be unshakable ;)
  9. Uther


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    And if it is deaths, would you still support it? Would you die for brexit?
  10. adidan


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    Statements like that prevent any sort of meaningful discussion.
  11. robfosters


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    No, but no-one would imo. I believe the stories of deaths are hyperbole.
  12. Jono8


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    The government is refusing to publish details of communications between No 10 aides about Parliament's suspension, despite MPs voting for their release.

    Cabinet minister Michael Gove said the information sought by MPs was "unreasonable and disproportionate".

    It would breach the rights of the nine advisers concerned, including Boris Johnson's chief aide Dominic Cummings.

    To do so, he added, would "contravene the law" and "offend against basic principles of fairness".

    Um, **** off. No one elected Dominic Cummings. Our elected officials should be able to see all his communications if parliament wills it (and it has and voted for it in the majority). It is obvious they are hiding the real reason for the prorogation. I mean we all know why they did it, but like all politicians of their ilk, they like to keep the thinnest amount of plausible deniability there so they can deny it . They know if these communications got out, this horribly obvious lie will be proven.

    I thought Brexiteers hated unelected bureaucrats?
  13. StriderX


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    Parliament can get any document they wish to, regardless of laws (Parliament IS the law), next time it comes up they'll make sure that no law that might waste time can protect those messages and denying parliament will be a one way ticket to prison.
  14. TJM

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  15. dowie


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    Might need to leave the EU first ;)
  16. The_Abyss


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    So you're selective in what parts of the document and government researched base case outcomes you choose to believe then?
  17. CapitalOne

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  18. Kreeeee

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  19. Rroff

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    I have to say doesn't match up with my experience but I have no idea how well it represents the broader picture - I have family and friends in NI and the younger ones are mostly pro staying in the UK and either have or intend to come to England, Wales or Scotland for uni, etc. and in some cases work.
  20. a1ex2001


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    The messages clearly contain something interest that doesn’t paint the government in a particularly good light. Convenient that parliament has been shut down so no further debate can take place.....