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Brexit Discussion - The new thread

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Feek, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. Panos

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    FYI if those few pages of "Yellowhammer" assessment, are truly the work of this government since June 2016, even those Europeans who predict the EU implosion in 5 years time, have no hope for this government to pull through even the next bad weather.

    Here is the EU assessment per outcome (no deal, some deal, soft deal, etc) published December 2017, work completed within 18 months.
    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/brexitpublic/brexitstudies.html

    Yeah is several thousands pages long (even if take the worst case scenario sections only), not a 5 page PDF took UK in 3 1/2 years!!!!!!
     
  2. garnett

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    So, while Yellowhammer shows how the rest of us are going to suffer, all our fellow OcUKers who voted for Brexit have gone in on this shorting action, set to profit from the UK doing badly after Brexit...Wait. You are all in on the action, right? It can't be that it's just wealthy speculators who are going to profit from conning you into voting for this?
     
  3. dowie

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    You're getting into conspiracy theory territory, the article concerns short positions taken relatively recently as a result of the apparent increased chance of a no deal Brexit.
     
  4. Uther

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    Some people were always going to make a lot of money out of brexit. Very rich people.
     
  5. Conscript

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    Saw a Facebook post from Kent Online linking to their article on this document. The comments are depressing....mainly people dismissing it outright as scaremongering, even though its published by the government themselves, with absolutely no reasoning. Basically "If I don't want to hear it, it's scaremongering." How on Earth has critical thinking become so scarce?
     
  6. Rroff

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    Personally no though it was tempting to play the game - I sold a lot of my investments though a few weeks back kind of on a whim but partly with a forward eye to Brexit and putting my money elsewhere instead.
     
  7. Greebo

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    Selective questions. Ask most people if they just want it over and done with and you get a majority saying yes. Ask them directly if they want a no deal and majority say no.
    I do think the referendum should be respected as well though but I want my Norway++ deal as promised.
     
  8. VincentHanna

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    We knew what we were voting for.

    I want my shortages and anarchy.
     
  9. garnett

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    Don't worry. It was tongue in cheek. I don't really believe OcUKers are shorting the UK.
     
  10. DarkHorizon472

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    You believe shortages of various medicines won’t directly impact on people, that’s a strong belief you have.
     
  11. dowie

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    I wasn't referring to overclockers, though you might well find some are shorting UK companies.
     
  12. Uther

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    He has to believe that, IIRC he's one who relies on such medical supplies.
     
  13. VincentHanna

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    So he is almost literally a turkey voting for Christmas?
     
  14. inogen

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    Anyone who voted for the tories in the last few elections or voted for brexit ought to be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.
     
  15. Murphy

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    Doesn't the fact that you're disputing if there'll be deaths or not make you think perhaps this isn't the Brexit people voted for? Whatever happened to the "no down sides", "sunny up-lands", and all the other positive rhetoric that surrounded the leave campaign, it's gone from that to "short-term issues", and now we're seriously debating if people will lose their lives.

    Whatever happened to the predictions of one of the founders of Vote Leave, Daniel Hannan, did his crystal ball let him down?
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2019
  16. Nitefly

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    I honestly feel like that Brexit has become ‘the hurricane was going to hit Alabama’ levels of dumb.

    We’ve gone from arguing the pros and cons of brexit, what parties think is it isn’t the best approach etc.... to this utterly absurd situation. No majority government, underhand tactics to suspend Parliament, a complete lack of transparency.

    I just don’t know how it become so dumb. It’s just the most appropriate word. Dumb.
     
  17. LOAM

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    I've said before, until people's friends, family and neighbours are dying around them people will not admit they got it wrong.

    There's quite literally no one left saying this is going to be anything other than a catastrophe and yet onwards we March. I really don't get it.
     
  18. Rroff

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    They have a filter.
     
  19. ethan

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    No they are not. If I don't get make regular anti-coagulants I will die (having had two near misses already).
     
  20. robfosters

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    Same here. I rely on warfarin to prevent strokes or an embolism, and I’m not worried at all.