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Brexit Discussion - The new thread

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Feek, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. do_ron_ron

    Capodecina

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    Did you not understand the point made

    That is the normal way of things. WE agreed on an on-coing basis what the EU was doing.

    You have run out of argument so you return to the 'we won, you lost' level.

    @GordyR has posted many detailed explanations in this thread. I suggest you go and look at them and educate yourself.
     
  2. humbug

    Caporegime

    Joined: Mar 17, 2012

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    Control shared amongst 26 others and the final arbiter is unelected.

    I'm far from convinced.
     
  3. garnett

    Soldato

    Joined: Mar 25, 2008

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    That a majority of the UK was impervious to reason won't bring your unicorns to life, unfortunately.

    Contrary to your assertion, there's no critical mass threshold of people duped into believing a certain narrative that then makes that narrative true.

    Brexit is like a religion in that respect. Right down to the refusal of its zealots to identify any empirical metric by which to measure its success.
     
  4. humbug

    Caporegime

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    This sort of rhetoric was also tried, and ignored for being the petulant tantrum that it is. That was never going to convince anyone.
     
  5. DarkHorizon472

    Mobster

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    What do you think would ?
     
  6. do_ron_ron

    Capodecina

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    The final arbitrer in the UK is the Supreme Court. Is it elected?
     
  7. azazl187

    Wise Guy

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    Importance?! Come now, it's more important now for this country then it ever has been and in turn more important than ever.
     
  8. ltron

    Wise Guy

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  9. humbug

    Caporegime

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    Needs to be abolished.
     
  10. StriderX

    Caporegime

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    Ah yes, just abolish the Court because it annoyed you a single time.
     
  11. humbug

    Caporegime

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    Set up by Blair, unelected.
     
  12. G_Wizz

    Hitman

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    Britain built the worlds first Nuclear power plant and was the largest producer of Nuclear power till 1971, after 45 years in the EU not only can we not build a Nuclear power plant anymore, we can't even produce our own medical face masks. Never in the history of the human race has there been such a drastic decline in a civilisation as that witnessed over the last 45 years of our EU membership. Now, you can't attribute it all to our membership of the EU, but it has played a big part, France and Italy are a shadow of their former selves, only Germany, till now that is, has escaped the fate of the other three major economies. Whats happening now though is even Germany is seeing a decline in it's outlook, losing more and more business to Chinese exports. In a way it's a good thing that we are leaving because it will force the hands of the other three to either sort out the complete mess of the EU as an institution or abandon ship too.
     
  13. StriderX

    Caporegime

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    That's an excuse.

    That's just laziness on the part of Britons, I wont bother speaking about any other country, but there was literally nothing stopping the UK government from constantly blaming its failures on someone else (taking responsibility), and ergo nothing stopping the electorate from noticing how terrible it's governments were/are.

    It's the same argument really that people push about immigrants taking their jobs, while simultaneously doing nothing to compete or make themselves appealing to employ. That's not the immigrants fault, especially when they're earning 50-150k. The current PM practically implied this years ago and a conservative group also implied it as such, the UK is uniquely unproductive and has been for around a century, predating the EU and even the EEA.

    Goodness knows if this will change now that there's no one else to blame, one would hope.
     
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  14. humbug

    Caporegime

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    Trump is also right, we have to bring manufacturing back from China, China not only makes most of our goods but also most of our medicines.

    We in the west as a whole have got FAR too dependent on China, THAT gives China a level of control, and they know it.
     
  15. humbug

    Caporegime

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  16. G_Wizz

    Hitman

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    So they are lazy now, but not before we joined the EU ? That sort of backs up my point then, something has changed drastically in the country over the last 45 years, for whatever reason and things were getting worse every years we stayed in. Leaving does not mean 100% that we can turn things around but at least we will have a chance, if we stay in we will eventually become a third world country.
     
  17. humbug

    Caporegime

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    Britons are not Lazy, what you're doing there is parroting the excuse conglomerates use to ship factories abroad for Cheap labour, or to import cheap labour.
     
  18. humbug

    Caporegime

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    You know... i just cannot believe we are having these type of arguments with people who call themselves left and Liberal, its crazy, its clown world.
     
  19. StriderX

    Caporegime

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    Sure, that'd make sense if only we didn't lose a domestic car industry to poor workmanship and poor investment. We didn't lose it to cheaper alternatives.

    Thatcher gave up and put everyone behind desks. Worked out pretty well, too bad it's not a great way to imbue national pride.

    Disagree all you want, but blaming the EU isn't going to suddenly make the UK better.
     
  20. humbug

    Caporegime

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    Thatcher was one of the worst things to happen to this country, but she also recognized the communistical nature of unions, its long and complex and i'm not the sharpest tool to spell it out but British Leyland was a microcosm of socialism and what you get with it, the unions of the 70's had to go and i'm just old enough to know.