Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by FrenchTart, Sep 11, 2016.
Ferries, no, flights, yes (since you can transit directly without entering through the UK's border).
Good news from the first day. It looks like DD might actually be grasping what's going on. Parallel negotiations might have advantages for the UK but wasting months on negotiating the order we prefer would have had too high a cost.
At the same time as this we should be talking to other trade partners, not focusing everything on the EU.
Who will talk to us? We can't legally negotiate anything, and even if we could we can't commit on anything until we know what our arrangements with the EU look like so who would waste their time?
Even then, the are no trade deals as remotely important as the one with the EU.
A lot of countries offered to start talks right after the vote result. I don't see why we should be held back by the EU so that they can get themselves a monopoly over us.
A lot of guff was said by a lot of people on all sides immediately after the vote result. What about now that the dust has settled and reality has set in?
What countries will be hammering on our door demanding a trade deal the moment we are free of our awful, possessive, controlling marriage with the EU?
Is the man without fear now involved in the brexit negotiations, very appropriate
Which of them are still offering it? Why would they? Conducting talks with a country but able to agree anything and breaking there own laws by doing so is hardly an attractive proposition.
And risking jeopardising trading relations with the biggest trading bloc in the world.
But, but, but we were supposed to be able to be nimble and get one over on old johny. What do you mean it might be more complicated than that? Nige never said anything complicated. That's why we love him.
A thousand words.
At least it's not Boris Johnson
It's only complicated if we play by their rules. No one else seems to be, especially France who do whatever the **** they want and the EU doesn't bat an eyelid.
I know that.
I believe Australia are still very keen to do a trade deal with us (they don't want to buy anything from us, they just want to sell us some butter.)
Carney and Hammond airing some concerns this morning.
That's because the French civil service basically runs the EU.
Turkey and India but only if their citizens get visa free travel to the UK.
Fairly unsurprising conclusions and series of events to many, I'd imagine.
It's like watching a car crash in the making but in slow motion because it's taking so long for events to play out. We thought we were in a really fast car so pulled out of slow moving traffic to attempt an overtake on the wrong side of the road and now find ourselves heading towards an oncoming vehicle.
Turns out the car isn't as fast as we thought and we'll eventually pull back in at the last minute to avoid the head on and hail it a success because we haven't died but will fish tail off the road onto the grass verge. Now we have to rejoin the queue further back than where we started and we'd have been far better off just staying where we were because it means our coffee isn't all over the dashboard and we wouldn't have ****** off all the other drivers in the process.
The problem being that if we don't meet our commitments it will make getting a reasonable deal even harder.
It's a little trite of an analogy but it stands. I see the likely outcome is that we'll be in some form of membership still, but without our Veto, and our other opt-outs. #TakingbackourSovereignty will have been so worth it.
Agreed - I see the same outcome realistically. There's no other option that would allow the government to uphold the perceived commitment to Brexit but at the same time not to economically ruin the UK.
The funny thing will be that they will have to hail it as a success and try to justify that to the public. The sad thing is they will likely succeed in that because I've no doubt that the gutter press will be picking up the pieces of the shattered ideological Brexit and will continue to blame the EU for any shortcomings.
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