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Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by FrenchTart, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. satchef1

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    Not Russia. Putin. There's a difference. This isn't about Russian national interests, but Putin's own personal ones. And it isn't just Putin. A number of US billionaires are implicated in what I'd normally call a crazy conspiracy theory. The problem is, this one is supported by mounting evidence.

    Brexit is about protecting existing financial interests within the UK from an emboldened EU that's determined to shut down money laundering operations and tax evasion. It's about engineering a crash in the UK to enable more British assets to be bought up on the cheap. And it's about opening the door for a desperate Britain to sign a trade deal with the US (via the Trump administration) that sells us out to American corporations. That deal will make TTIP look tame. And the Trade Bill that Liam Fox signed last week means there's basically nothing Parliament can do to stop such a deal happening.
     
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  2. do_ron_ron

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    The usual moaning Brits though will not take those jobs in any age. I know of a German lady who came across to look after patients in a mental hospital just after WW2. She suffered the same thing as today. "Just over here to take our jobs" etc, etc. When she pointed out that there were vacancies and they could do these nursing jobs if they wanted strangely they did not seem too keen. Low pay and working with dementia patients who could get violent in their confusion. It really is the intelligence level of some people.
     
  3. Mercenary Keyboard Warrior

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    Exactly, which would be a good thing and could function alongside Nato without any issues.
    I don't see any of the member states giving up their full control over their military, its just rabid frothing to a Junker pipedream
     
  4. chroniclard

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    That is not the mentality of all people though, my mother in law works in a care home. Our cleaner is British, she works in a care home and does cleaning part time. There are plenty of British people that work hard in low paid jobs.

    Granted there are still plenty of scroats.
     
  5. Mercenary Keyboard Warrior

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    Supressing wages, that job could have paid £1,000,000 a year, a brit would have done it then ;)
     
  6. do_ron_ron

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    I have been saying for ages it was the "will of the hard right of the Tory Party" that is driving Brexit with the help of their media chums. The Express, Mail and Telegraph have been lying about the EU for decades. You have a stream of fake stories over the years. It is a cumulative effect. What is interesting is what are the ideological aims of the hard right of the Tory Party. From what is said, they want a free trade country which will not help services in this country which most Brexiters need.
     
  7. Mercenary Keyboard Warrior

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    Interesting, because a significant, if not ALL, the major tax schemes are run through a European state that would affect us. Netherlands and Ireland mainly now, but also some of the smaller states.
    Junker was PM when one of the most prolific ones was run from the country he was PM of!

    UK is no saint, but the main tax schemes run from whats technically within our remit comes from the places that have one foot in and one foot out and play on that to their advantage, ie Caymans, Gernsey, IOM etc
     
  8. do_ron_ron

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    The EU is clamping down on them though. It was the EU that said Irelands treatment of American tech firm was a disguised state subsidy and took them to court. The UK wants to avoid such things as getting tax from companies.
     
  9. Mr Badger

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    Indeed. Isn't the point that if "local" people are willing to do these jobs then they probably already are? Were they ever really being prevented from working by companies that actively recruited and discriminated in favour of foreigners who took their jerbs? However the retired, workshy and feckless that appear to have shown the most support for Brexit/stopping immigration now (shock horror) don't seem so keen to step into the breach.
     
  10. Cern

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    This YouGov survey is a bit more lighthearted than most, but it still highlights how the whole Leave vs Remain thing isn't just about that single issue, but runs deeper into attitudes about all manner of things. I've generally found this to be true myself. If I don't agree with someone on Brexit there's a high chance I won't agree with them on a whole range of issues, there's definitely a line in the sand. Anyone else find the same?

    Sex, slang, steak: views that show remainers and leavers are worlds apart

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/14/sex-slang-steak-views-leave-remain-worlds-apart
     
  11. awaybreaktoday

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    Honda UK telling MPs it imports 2 million components a day from Europe on 350 trucks and holds 1 hours worth of stock. It would take 18 months to put customs admin in place but every 15 minutes of delay would cost £850,000 a hour. That's not including WTO tariffs of 10% and 4.5%.
     
  12. do_ron_ron

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    The other day there was a warning that the UK did not have the trained border staff to police the new customs and would not have them in time for Brexit. I wonder who they will blame when these companies decide to re-locate their production in Europe and do away with all the hassle and extra expense of working in the UK.
     
  13. Mr Badger

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    That's just a long list of things to show that they are uncultured, clueless half-wits. Ordering their steak well done indeed (shudder).
     
  14. satchef1

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    For anyone interested in the Russia stuff, The Observer published a good snapshot last week. It provides a decent early look, but revelations are coming almost daily. I've read elsewhere that there's a follow-up piece coming, looking specifically at new evidence they've managed to dig up specifically pertaining to Brexit.

    www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/04/brexit-ministers-spy-russia-uk-brexit
     
  15. Dj_Jestar

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    If anything, this Russia/Rich guys avoiding tax/other collusion nonsense suggests we actually need more political globalisation things such as the EU so we can better eliminate this crony inter-nation corruption.
     
  16. do_ron_ron

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    Maybe that is why the hard right of the Tory Party wants Brexit. They can remain as the most favoured nation for drug laundering and tax evasion.
     
  17. FishFluff

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  18. mid_gen

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  19. mid_gen

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    Ah ha this was too funny!

    There are people that think PMQs has any relevance outside a bunch of guffawing slack-jawed idiots in the Commons? The mind boggles.
     
  20. awaybreaktoday

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    Bring on BREXIT in style.......

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-of-consequences-of-leaving-eu-customs-union

    Aston Martin also feared a “semi-catastrophic” end to EU recognition of UK regulatory approval, something Keating revealed Brussels was now threatening in the event of a “no-deal” Brexit. Honda pointed to a recent study suggesting the cost of converting an EU car to match US standards is equivalent to another 26% tariff increase.

    The industry also fears the impact of new immigration rules for EU nationals. Already some 14% of Honda’s 3,500 to 4,000-strong Swindon workforce are from other EU countries, but this is growing fast: of the 600 extra workers hired to build new Civic model last year, 40% were EU workers, as are 30% of the staff at the company’s European headquarters in Bracknell.

    Though Honda declined to discuss its UK profitability in public, the SMMT said car manufacturing was a low-margin business, yielding an average 2-4% return on investment.

    “You are pretty quickly getting into negative territory,” said Hawes when asked what this would mean in the event of a hard Brexit. “If we went onto WTO terms it would be incredibly difficult.”

    He predicted there may be a diminished choice of cars on sale for British consumers if there is divergence in regulatory standards as some niche importers would not bother to have additional testing just for the UK market.
     


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