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Brexit Discussion

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by FrenchTart, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. Nasher

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    The UK along with France and the US defends pretty much all of Europe, because the other armies are next to useless. The UK are the ONLY ones defending it on the cyber front (with GCHQ), which is going to be interesting if we leave without any deals...
     
  2. Evangelion

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    This literally happened.

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    (Source).

    I don't think Farage understands irony anymore.
     
  3. LOAM

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    If May thinks for a second her position is in imminent danger she'll double down on stupid. I'm almost excited to see what additional levels of uselessness she possesses.
     
  4. VincentHanna

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    The German Bundeswehr is larger than the UK army
     
  5. adam cool dude

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    Scotland would never happen with Spain in the EU.
     
  6. krooton

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  7. Nasher

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    The German army is underfunded, under-equipped and poorly trained. Germany spends peanuts on defence and lets the US pick up the bill, which is part of the reason their economy seems so good on paper.
     
  8. Jimbeam3678

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    Still waiting :o
     
  9. StriderX

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    They’ve said on numerous occasions that they will not burden a legally sovereign Scotland.
     
  10. VincentHanna

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  11. Dolph

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    They also said they would respect the will of the people of Gibraltar...
     
  12. Nasher

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    Yet the opinion of others in NATO is it's not fit for purpose.
     
  13. VincentHanna

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    The opinion of Trump you mean?
     
  14. StriderX

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    Their beef with England is not a concern, if Spain won’t veto the UK over Gibraltar (it’s their one and only constant aggravation), they won’t over a totally unconnected issues.
     
  15. Sleepery

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    Ah, Nasher! Away with your facts, I have OPINIONS! How's that working out for you?
     
  16. Dolph

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  17. Rroff

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    A lot of the German armed forces though are suffering with underfunding, ageing systems that aren't being replaced, etc. so not sure where a lot of the money is going. Aside from some halo projects that rarely seem to come to much compared to the on paper potential.

    Yeah from the article:

    "Over recent years, the German press has paraded a litany of stories about the inadequacies of Germany's armed forces: submarines and aircraft that were not operational, shortages of personnel and spare parts and so on."

    I've not looked into it in any depth but wonder where a lot of the money is going.
     
  18. matt100

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    Relevant how?
     
  19. Dolph

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    Exactly, the positions that germany spends x on its forces, and its allies consider those forces underfunded, under trained and under resourced are not mutually exclusive.

    It's also important to note that German attitudes to the military and military intervention are very different to those of the uk et al.
     
  20. Dolph

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    It's not just about vetoing. They might not veto membership for it, but they could certainly rules lawyer any attempt to expedite or short cut the membership process, which on average takes 10 years or so...
     
  21. StriderX

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    And why exactly would they do that? Just cause? Not sure that flies, seems pretty conspiracy laden to me.

    If they was indeed the case then it would be the same policy as other countries (therefore consistent), what would possibly single out Spain as being the only roadblock?

    Indeed it would be just as right to presume that they would actively push for Scotland to join, if only to annoy Westminster, just as valid.
     
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