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Brexit Discussion

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by FrenchTart, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. Harlequin

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    Wasn't a dig at only the Tories but all of the 650 in the Commons. UK politics laid bare for what is truly is. Im very sure new mp`s enter with great hopes, but that is soon whipped out of them.....
     
  2. do_ron_ron

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    Except they cannot kick the can down the road any more. To do so may result in a No Deal and unless you are the headbanger ERG nobody else wants that situation. May will go next week and leave it to others, probably with relief.
     
  3. robgmun

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    It's already been forgotten
     
  4. do_ron_ron

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    Blair did the same and look what happened to him.
     
  5. MadMossy

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  6. Screeeech

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    Whilst that’s true, 5 million in what, 4 days? is a hell of a number for people to just vote, without it being something like a GE or organised referendum.
     
  7. bayo000

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    I know. How many millions left to match result for leave?

     
  8. VincentHanna

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    How come a million people aren't marching to leave the EU?
     
  9. Rroff

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  10. Harlequin

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    because Farage is charging them £50 each to do it.....
     
  11. McstylisT

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    Location: ENGLAND !!

  12. Harlequin

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    You mean upholding the law in our sovereign parliament, where the legislative is sovereign over the executive? That clear and biased sabotaging?
     
  13. VincentHanna

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    Apply 100's of years of precedent to parliamentary sovereignty?
     
  14. Raymond Lin

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  15. Freakbro

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    And this is the reason we should all not want a second referendum when a good portion of the public still have such mind numbingly stupid views
     
  16. StriderX

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    It’s impossible to not talk like a brexiteer when it concerns indscot, but at least the outcome is positive and expansive from the outset.

    [British, indeed English identity is in crisis and has delusions of grandeur that constantly destroys reasonable debate, mostly to England’s detriment.]

    It’s inherently messy and I’ll never disagree with that, and frankly don’t care, it’s the difference between arrogant inwards perfectionalism (self-destructive isolation) that has never succeeded throughout history vs reasoned consensus while extoling cultural virtues in a global world which so far has allowed unprecedented peace.

    Though the increasing populist factions in Europe isn’t making it easy for the latter argument to be believable.

    Regardless, it (improved consensus in the UK and thus elsewhere) can be achieved without an independent Scotland if England would just give up its archaic government and federalise. The ideal scenario.

    /apologies for what will likely be seen as gibberish
     
  17. The Funktopus

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    Sovereignty for Parliament!.....Until it does something we don’t like.
     
  18. McstylisT

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    Took me long enough to find your post. I’ll give you my opinion.

    I’m referring to the EU setup in general. I could copy and paste whatever ones I don’t agree with but most of the dictate and control how and who we can trade with. We CANNOT negotiate under current law. This makes things in favour of the EU.
    The other part to that is promoting immigrant workers, yet overlooking there own. Most businesses are pro EU ( part of the eliteisum ) so share the same world out view. We get MASS immigrations doing all the jobs, should only be people who live here. If we need quality from abroad then we sensibly take it. This country needs to come first, the highest importance and that’s how we can make business proud and bounded to the country. Not abuse and choke it.


    Part two, growth and funding in areas.
    Right ok, the problem is all the elite EU focused financial outfits are here, so like you they won’t ever do anything other than spread fear. As they believe in the pan European idea.
    We send billions to the EU. We spend millions on immigration and giving them benefits. Putting them in housing. Giving them money. We waste so much. We could put some of the recouped cash into these areas. Plus the numbers will diminish so the system won’t be over populated, nhs in not so much of a ruin. More school places for local areas etc.
    What about cars, all those items they send into the Uk. What they just going to loose all that revenue. Once the dust settles we will have a way to trade with those companies. Maybe not directly but we will, it’s not going to cease. We will be working on our WTO trade deals too, opening other unseen options. This will be enough of business growth to make profit and settle again.

    Freedom of movement is gone that was one clear thing in the referendum. Holt this tragedy. Freedom of movement is what causes MASS immigration. This obviously effects our systems.

    So again once we pass the line, step out of the shadows and take control we can build a solid and patriotic structure to move forward with. One that favours our own workers, favours our own business interests around the world, making all our own decisions along the way.

    When something has not been done it’s impossible to see the actual path, but what never is in doubt is we will succeed.

    Prob not what you was after.
     
  19. Harlequin

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    The UK, because of the Euro opt out was relatively untouched by the 2010 sovereign debt crisis in the eurozone, however the 2008 sub prime crash which started in the USA, and sent the chancellor to the world bank to borrow billions? Nothing to do with the EU.

    As for BSE , you do know British Beef was banned in the EU from 1996 to 2006 , because of the BSE outbreak?
     
  20. Harlequin

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    Well , every 5 years we get the chance to change the people making the bad choices for us....