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Brexit Discussion

Discussion in 'SC Archive' started by FrenchTart, Sep 11, 2016.

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  1. humbug

    Caporegime

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    MP's are getting a little bit upset they can't get their policies through.

     
  2. Steampunk

    Sgarrista

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    So because she's got the resources to hold the government to the law, she shouldn't be allowed to hold the government to the law? That seems a very bizarre position to take.

    Opposition MPs would have challenged in Parliament - something that May's actions deliberately tried to circumvent.
     
  3. matt100

    Capodecina

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    You mean Tories are quitting because their party is a shambles. Nobody can get anything through and what's been proven to be one of the smallest groups of all, the proper loons are loving it.
     
  4. matt100

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    It's because it's not compatible with his opinion. Wealthy people being able to splurge wealth all over trashing the country and driving us off a cliff however... Groovy.
     
  5. Cern

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    Racial profiling how? Look at the footage of the London protests on the 29th March and decide for yourself. Jon Snow said much the same thing about the lack of diversity on the C4 news. He got into hot water for it of course, but he was only reflecting the facts although he probably expressed it rather crudely, hence the apology. But isn't it funny how those who are always banging on about not wanting to have to be "politically correct" get all up in arms the moment even a smidgeon of it comes back their way?

    I know perfectly well why older voters voted the way they did. Doesn't mean I have to accept their "will" on this if I don't feel their views and prejudices are helpful in modern British society.
     
  6. danlightbulb

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    Absolutely because she only pick and chooses what to challenge on to align with her personal view. She is not elected. Do we want a system where the rich can legal challenge their own preferences and views but others cannot? I mean, we mostly have this anyway but I dont want to make it worse.
     
  7. Nitefly

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    lol you really think there will be truly significant civil unrest? I take comfort in the general intellectual laziness of many leavers and their lazy opinions. I would bet on their disgruntlement being equally lazy.
     
  8. Cern

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    The case that Gina Miller brought could have been brought by anyone else with some crowd funding (she used some crowd funding too as it happens).

    I know someone who was doing just this, with far less money than Gina Miller, but they dropped their plans for a case when Gina Miller went ahead (it only needed one case to set a precedent).
     
  9. Greebo

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    But we would have left the CU????????????????? You cant have no deal and a WA. Another leaver fantasy
     
  10. humbug

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    The things they keep voting on are an even softer Brexit than May's deal, maybe if they made compromises instead looking for what was a democratic vote to cave in completely they might actually get somewhere...
     
  11. terley

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    I imagine you are also aware that the reason the majority of young voters are the result of a overtly left-leaning education system? The same reason Corbyn in the uk is becoming so popular, Bernie was such a storm with the young voters in America, socialism and communism is making its way back into the minds of youngsters trying to tackle the 1%?
     
  12. Greebo

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    Looking at my FB feed, yes.
     
  13. BaZ87

    Don

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    Initially I was in agreement with Ken Clarke when he said that as soon as you tagged a peoples vote onto the customs union you'd lose the conservatives but when you look at the numbers it does look like being a solution and maybe the only solution. You'd not just get the SNP on board but the other 10 Lib Dems that voted against or abstained, the Independent Group, Plaid and Green's. That's an additional 57 votes, which assuming that the cabinet abstains from voting again, evening if all the Tories that are against a peoples vote switched, you'd be looking at something like 308 in favour to 298 against.
     
  14. Litmoose

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    Doubtfull tbh, it might look close but the whole govenment front bench abstained. I would guess 75% of them would have voted no
     
  15. Cern

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    Corbyn popular? Nice one. April Fools was yesterday.
     
  16. humbug

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    Your FB feed must be full of crazy conspiracy theorists.
     
  17. Greebo

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    They are! May's deal is the hardest brexit possible except for no deal. No deal has no support in Parliament. So how do you compromise from the Remain side any more than they have? By accepting May's deal? If the some of the Tory MPs had balls they would take CU. The least impacting of the options on Leave's Hard brexit.
     
  18. humbug

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    Terley is actually dead on with this, the problem for them is they think that leftist demographic is vastly bigger than it actually is. its a fringe of very loud young Marxists, the rest of the population now know who Corbyn / Mcdonnell really are and it scares them.

    Labour are going to get a shock at the next election.
     
  19. matt100

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    Even softer?!

    Also, literally all these are attempts to compromise with may. You'll have noticed, she's not for compromise.
     
  20. humbug

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    They are polarized and can't agree on anything, well... Parliament is actually mostly remain, about 70% so but a lot of those MP's are in Brexit area's and they value their job too much.

    Its essentially a leave country with a remain parliament and parliament are trying to find away to stay in as much as possible without infuriating their voters, and they just can't get it done, nor still do they want to leave.... so we are stuck in limbo...
     
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