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Brexit Discussion

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by FrenchTart, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. Dolph

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    His smash and grab nationalisation plan is economically illiterate, as is the news trailing this morning about his similar plan for land. It is both a poor utilisation of resources and will destroy confidence in investing in the UK if we abandon property rights. (see venezuela for an example of the exact same policies in action)

    As for antisemitism, you are creating a false dichotomy. That others also do it doesn't excuse corbyn and his supporters.
     
  2. Entai

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    And there is the crux of the matter.

    To change the view of someone on the other side of any argument, first agreeing with them when they hold the polar opposite view is never going to happen.


    Secondly, there has never ever been, one single, sensible, well thought out, well explained, fact proven beyond all doubt, reason to leave.

    Exactly as has been said, leavers are blinkered on this, and never listen to well thought out, well explained, fact proven beyond all doubt, reasons to stay in the EU, of which there are many, as has been shown over and over again on this very thread.
     
  3. Harlequin

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    What is his `smash and grab` nationalism plan? Any citation for that , thats not from the right wing media? Confidence has been wrecked in investing anyway thanks to the last 3 years of desperate paralysis in parliament.

    And not a false dichotomy in the slightest but rampant parallelism ; both the left and the right are as guilty as each other for `othering` or marginalising groups.
     
  4. Murphy

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    And that principal wouldn't be compromised with a border down the Irish sea as people traveling to the mainland already have their immigration status checked, the current border down the Irish sea is not simply for security checks, it's for immigration checks and whether someone has the right to travel within the CTA.

    A border on the land and down the Irish sea is already there when it comes to the movement of people, checks are carried out on people to verify they have the right to move within the CTA it's just people don't notice them because it's done when they book their tickets to the mainland, when they get on the plane or boat, and when they land or dock. A border also exists when it comes to financial transactions due to Sterling being the only legal tender in the UK and the Euro being the only legal tender in the Republic.
     
  5. Dolph

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    Water
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...er-nationalisation-sunday-times-idUKKCN1SA0QD

    Energy
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48286563

    Anything below market value is a smash and grab raid.

    Indeed they are, I oppose othering whoever does it, instead supporting equal treatment under the law. It doesn't change the fact that Corbyn is far more aggressive (especially in his othering of people who own property) and his desire to use the power of the state to change it in a discriminatory manner than the Tories are.
     
  6. Harlequin

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    Whereas the Tories are not only rampant islamophobes, which is only a matter of time as they are investigated to the degree Labour are , but they are marginalising the poor (thats anyone earning less than £30k a year apparently) and want to sell off everything they can in the name of free market capitalism. A Hegelian Dialectic.
     
  7. Harlequin

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    In regards to energy you are being disingenuous; the plan you linked is for the National Grid and not energy production. Further from the BBC link:

    As for `below market vale - the reuters link also answers that :

     
  8. Murphy

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  9. Dolph

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    Does it include when they were nationalised first time round?
     
  10. Murphy

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    I asked first. ;)
     
  11. McstylisT

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    ha ha ha ha :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :eek::eek: :confused:


    An intelligent and experienced observer ??? What in gods name are you talking about. The man is a liar and a disgrace to society. What a pointless and bias post. Nobody is listening i can assure you.
     
  12. Dolph

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    A nationalised monopoly doesn't have a market value, because it isn't tradable...

    As such you define a value and then see how the market responds to the offer.

    Now, it is entirely possible that the government during privatisations got the value proposal wrong (usually indicated by rapid share price rises from the base sale price), but its not the same thing as arbitrarily changing an already agreed valuation becuase you don't fancy paying it using the power of the state.
     
  13. FishFluff

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    Which part of Blair's argument did you disagree with?
     
  14. McstylisT

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    We need to wake up and return the generosity shown by Trump. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-48462241

    Its about moving forward now and setting right the wrongs of the liberalism. Strong trade deal would be an excellent start to brexit.
     
  15. McstylisT

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    Every single word, he makes me sick.
    He is a criminal and should not be given any type of platform bearing in mind this idiot was part of the process that got us into the EU "dogmess" in the first place. Thanks Tony.

    Its a desperate attempt to reinforce the indoctrination he put in place. He is scared for the ideology. He wants there to be a mixed world and no nationality. He bought into the EU vision and will do and say anything he can to spin opinion. He is nothing more then a lowlife.

    Do you remember what HE, and Brown did to this country financially and immigration wise.
     
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  16. FishFluff

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    Would you like to state why? This is supposed to a forum for debate.
     
  17. chrismscotland

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    Throwing off the "shackles" of the EU to put on the shackles of US Trade? I can't wait
     
  18. krooton

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    Da comrade, most eyxcellent indyeed.
     
  19. FTM

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    again..why would a US president who lives by the words AMERICA FIRST give us a favourable trade deal

    especially when we have just binned our biggest trading partner and so will be desperate..which he will be more than happy to exploit
     
  20. McstylisT

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    sorry i edited my post.