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Brexit Discussion

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by FrenchTart, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. ratface

    Hitman

    Joined: Dec 30, 2002

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    Location: At Home

    This is a small victory for decency and common sense, the longer and more exposure the BNP, NF, BXP get the more people turn away from them. Trump is helping greatly as well right now. All this will help the Tory's to maintain voter share, unlke Labour who are unable to articulate their position and will continue to lose out to the Libdems

    At present its still hard to call a GE result, but a LibLab coalition would be the safe bet if Labour were to agree on a Referendum as part of the deal
     
  2. D.P.

    Caporegime

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 29,962


    LDs are much more strategic and experience with GEs than Cult of Farage. LD wont be pushing hard in areas where they have little chance. So any seat that might go between labour, BP, or Tiries labour will get a bigger vote share while BP will take more Tory votes. LDs also tend to go head to head with Tories in more seats.

    Labour liekly will loose a few seats to Labour, but BP will split the Toy vote to a far higher degree and give Labour or LD a victory.


    Any GE will almost certainly see Labour in Governemnt. The only real question is if they could scrape a majority themselves or will need a deal with LDs.
     
  3. StriderX

    Capodecina

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 18,609

    A majority just isn't happening until the division is over with, which looks never to be the case. The Tories feared rainbow coalition was/is going to be ironically their fault, imagine voting for a party on that message, i'd be ******* embarrassed to vote again.
     
  4. Entai

    Capo Crimine

    Joined: Feb 28, 2004

    Posts: 72,042

    You will never get a LibLab coalition, as the Lib Dems will never waver from revoking article 50 as their main policy objective, and Labour will never move that far over.
     
  5. ratface

    Hitman

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    Depends upon the next leader, if a confirmation vote including remain was agreed upon then I can see them moving on the article 50

    Corbyn is desperate for power so he'll capitulate on a Ref to get it
     
  6. matt100

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 31, 2004

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    And yet.. they can't even win a by election from labour where the sitting MP was recalled, straight after the euro elections which they won, when you can't move for farage on TV and the Tories are ripping themselves apart trying to find a new Brexit hard nut.

    You're in total cloud cuckoo land. TBP are not getting anywhere near the levers of power, that much is painfully obvious and you'd do yourselves a favour and perhaps improve the outcome to something closer to what you'd be happy with if you figured that out.

    Maybe Ann widdecombe could work with science to find a cure for this obstinacy instead of homosexuality.
     
  7. do_ron_ron

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Oct 23, 2002

    Posts: 8,633

    I am pleased this one trick pony of a 'party' or rather Cult of Farage Mk2 got beat. Given the sitting MP was removed after lots of media headlines Labour managed to increase their numbers. Let us hope this is the beginning of the end of this cult.
     
  8. Murphy

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Sep 16, 2018

    Posts: 1,417

    Perhaps not in your mind but that essentially gets to the core of why leave supports have been unable to deliver, we often hear cries that it's unfair to label leave supporters as thicko's, how if only a true Brexiter was in charge everything would've worked out just fine by now, how it's everyone else's fault, but your utter refusal to even countenance the points put forward by other people is a microcosm of the wider malaise effecting the UK, the day after the referendum the 48% of voters and 60% of the public were no longer relevant to the 52%, it was you lost get over it, traitors, saboteurs, enemies of the people and portmanteaus or remainers with insults, in leave supporters minds they'd won and nothing else mattered, everyone and everything else became irrelevant to them.

    Since the referendum leave supporters have refused point-blank to compromise, to reach a consensus, to even listen to what the other side had to say on the matter, as demonstrated by your constant refusal to accept that other people see thing differently than you, by your denial of the points raised no matter the evidence...The reason the countries in such a mess isn't because 48% of voters are refusing to get on board, it's because the 52% are not letting them on, they've refused to listen, throw insults and behaved in a manner not exactly conducive to cooperation.

    If all you do is treat everyone as the enemy then don't be surprised when they respond in kind.
     
  9. Gigabit

    Mobster

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    I'm 2 for 2. I got May losing her majority right as well. Boris might make it 3 for 3
     
  10. thenewoc

    Mobster

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    Location: West Sussex, England

    The Peterborough byelection result has shown a few things...

    # Labour won by a very small margin of just 683 votes.
    # Strong message delivered to Conservatives & UKIP that if you don't switch to voting The Brexit Party then you end up with Labour.


    Great effort from TBP though in such a short space of time, no doubt up against Labour's campaign machine promising the earth and glossing over the wrong doing of their previous MP, now lets see how many promises Lisa Forbes can actually deliver in her opposition seat and whether she can do the job as so far she's looked very shaky when interviewed following the result and has already had to deliver apologies for anti-Semitic behaviour.

    Interview with Lisa Forbes by Andrew Neil following the Peterborough result, see from time 2:40:35.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0005qj3/this-week-byelection-special

    Seems like she's been schooled the same as Dianne Abbott.
     
  11. GordyR

    Mobster

    Joined: Dec 1, 2003

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    Location: Essex

    Not sure if serious. You are a Brexit supporter right?
     
  12. VincentHanna

    Capodecina

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    That is hilarious from somebody who unwaveringly supports the Brexit party, who have no actual policies.
     
  13. thenewoc

    Mobster

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    Of course, Labour were very lucky with the amount their vote share collapsed by, they hung on to that seat by their finger nails. Personally I don't think Lisa Forbes comes across with the same level of professionalism and business acumen as Mike Greene and I very much doubt she will deliver any of the promises she's made to get elected.
     
  14. Harlequin

    Mobster

    Joined: Jun 17, 2004

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    Location: Eastbourne , East Sussex.

    LAB increased their majority from a lower turnout - 607 in 2017, 683 in 2019. Are you the spin doctor employed by BXP?
     
  15. Avenged7Fold

    Capodecina

    Joined: Sep 12, 2012

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    Location: Surrey

    Lol

    'My party may have promised nothing but at least they would have fulfilled that nothing if they had won!... which they did in every way that doesn't count!'

    Giving this BXP the real hard sell aren't we :p
     
  16. FishFluff

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    Location: Deepest, darkest Leeds

    The same Mike Greene who upon losing immediately claimed that there were up to 12 people voting in Asian households and that should be ‘looked into’. The same level of professionalism as being pictured standing behind your opponent and giving a classy thumbs down to the camera? He’s a real class act.
     
  17. Entai

    Capo Crimine

    Joined: Feb 28, 2004

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    Seriously ??

    Hung on by their finger nails ???

    Labour INCREASED their majority ..........


    And that despite nearly 14,000 people less turning out than in the 2017 GE.

    Seems like far more people could not be bothered to turn out and vote at all than came out to vote BXP.

    I would say that you can be reasonably certain that everyone who wanted to vote BXP would have made the point of getting out and voting.

    So it is fairly certain all the 14,000+ that did not vote would not have voted BXP at all, but other parties.

    Make of that what you will.
     
  18. thenewoc

    Mobster

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    The change in Labour vote share was down 17%. If UKIP voters had realised their vote would be more use on TBP that 683 majority would have slipped to just 283. The thing to take from this Byelection is that UKIP & Conservative voters need to switch to voting TBP if they want to keep Labour out.
     
  19. StriderX

    Capodecina

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    No had TBP not split the vote for the Tories, the Tories would have won immensely, you really are infinitely transparent. Boris even knows this.
     
  20. JRS

    Capodecina

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    Well, if we're going to play that "what if?" game then 'what if' those UKIP voters had switched to the Tories or Labour? Who both, lest we forget, are at least still vaguely for finding a workable Brexit deal that doesn't involve throwing the country off a cliff into the WTO stupidity sea.

    The OcUK Brexit Party Fanclub™ can hardly lay claim to the UKIP vote just because the BP is UKIP MkII. There's a reason why it isn't still UKIP MkI after all...