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Brexit Discussion

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by FrenchTart, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. malachi

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    We shall see when you're old and dumped into a home surrounded by more street beggers than we have now and no one is there to wipe your backside.
     
  2. Murphy

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    OK, so let's put aside the fact that The Economist for Free Trade have been widely discredited by their peers, that they're a lobbyist group so hated by leave supporters, that JRM is a metropolitan elite of the highest order and politician so isn't in the least trusted by leave supporters, let's put the long list of reasons why the sources you've consistently cited are not credible aside for a moment and assume, as you've repeatedly used them despite being told they're not credible, that you've thought through what the consequences of what The Economist for Free Trade and JRM will be of what they're advocating.

    Because if it's safe to assume that you have then you'll know those consequences are already coming to fruition, that Patrick Minford told a commons select comity that we'd probably want to run down the automotive industry like we did with the coal and steel industry in the 80's, that you understand they want to turn the UK into a Singapore on the Thames only without the socialist aspects of Singapore, that if you think the financial sector rules the UK economy now you've not seen anything yet.

    That JRM's farther literally wrote the book on how to profit from a world gone mad, on how to protect yourself from a great depression, and the sovereign individual that advocates for a total dismantling of the state from everything from welfare to police, health to the military, and everything in-between.

    Now as you've often cited those two sources one would assume you considered all of this, that you can explain how such consequences would benefit the UK, how they would benefit you average UK citizen, the less well off, how it will benefit the left behinds that Brexit was specifically meant to help.
     
  3. Murphy

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    What on earth are you going on about, is "Outside of clown world" meant to be some kind of insult because if so they never work with me and they tend to say more about the person making them than anything else.

    How does any of what you just said address what i said about being able to make predictions on the future based on information from the past?

    The world is constantly changing so saying because it's changed drastically in the last 10 years we can't make predictions shows an almost childish level of naivety and total lack of hindsight, and what your rant about the internet, stifling burectatic burdens, not having confidence in your own country and whatever else you said, as i tend to switch off when leave supporters go off on one, what any of that has to do with the point i raised is anyone's guess.

    As i said in another post is it any wonder leave supporters get such a bad rap.
     
  4. JeditOjanen

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    For clarity, it's the Cross of St George that you're referring to. The George Cross is the civilian equivalent of the Victoria Cross.
     
  5. Zefan

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    This is actually hilarious. I suppose you also believe the OK hand sign and milk are far right dog whistles?
     
  6. efish

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    Has the original Man eaten by cartoon Nazi fish ending.
     
  7. Dj_Jestar

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    Tbf that was a very concerted effort by 4chan/SA to spread that.
     
  8. robfosters

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    Jeremy Hunt now saying he would accept a no deal brexit.
     
  9. robgmun

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    Their next effort is turning the Rainbow flag into a right-wing symbol :D
     
  10. StriderX

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    Like the Nazi's used the communist colouring on their flag to fool the left wing into voting for them? It's funny until it isnt, but you know thanks for ruining symbols that were completely innocent.
     
  11. robgmun

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    The movement far from innocent
     
  12. a1ex2001

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    Nobody I know would be seen with the cross of st George due to the negative connotations associated with it yet i’d Happily have the union flag on my house.

    Everyone will see it differently but it is undeniable that the George cross (flag for the pedants) brings with it an air of controversy intended or not. It is fast heading the way of the confederate flag in the US
     
  13. Greebo

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    JRM said it would 50 years to get back to where we were so 50 years.
     
  14. Greebo

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    Time consuming and expensive? Yet many other EU countries do so. We skimped as our government thought the money was better spent on tax breaks. The same way out government dint use the billions of revenue from EU people working here to build more houses and schools and hospitals.
     
  15. RDM

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    Considering how rare flag flying from personal dwellings is in the UK I would find it odd whatever flag was being flown...

    My first thought when seeing an England flag flying from a house would be "Is there a sporting match on?" Not "I wonder how racist that person is?"

    Is cricket is a hotbed of racism? You tend to get a fair few England flags at international cricket matches after all.

    Do you have the same antipathy for the Saltire or the Welsh Dragon?
     
  16. Jokester

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    Indeed, I find it quite sad that the English flag is seemingly seen as a symbol of racism in some quarters. People should be able to fly their national flag in peace without having to defend themselves from veiled insinuations of racism.
     
  17. tamzzy

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    just as how the swastika was appropriated from being a symbol of divinity and sprituality to become nazi germany's symbol of aryan superiority and antisemitism...
    just depends on who's holding the flag of course. i bet if i go to one of yaxley-lennon's rallies...
     
  18. StriderX

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    Neither of those flags are used as a pejorative to beat the others with out of a misplaced sense of superiority in a supposed union of equals.

    That's not to say there aren't English people who would fly their flag over civic pride, but i imagine they're drowned out by the hooligans. It's a case of ruined it for everyone.
     
  19. Caracus2k

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    We remove EU nationals as well. Fairly frequently thoose that have commited serious offences or who are wanted abroad.

    The fact remains however that it is not a good idea to manage immigration primarily by removing people once they are already in the country.

    Far more effective to vet people as they enter and where possible require people to apply in advance if they wish to work or settle in your country.

    This is the case in most of the world and is the reasons why in most cases you need to apply for a work or residence visa before you even board a means of transportation to another country.

    Infrastructure is extremely expensive with taxation required over many decades to cover its costs and the last Labour administration oversaw a lot of new public infrastructure projects in the UK (a lot funded under dubious public private partnerships)

    Public net debt rose from 347 billion in 1997 to 523 billion in 2007 before the financial collapse before hitting over 1011 billion by the time the conservatives took over in 2010.

    As above this figure obsures the true cost contributed by new infrastructure costs due to nearly 70 billions pounds worth of PPI contracts reaching financial closure between 1997 and 2010

    The same period (1997 - 2010) saw debt, as a percentage of GDP, balloon from 41.87% to 65.47%



    So where are your fantasy 'billions' for mass extra infrastructure in the Labour years of mass immigration when the debt went up even before the economy took a down turn in 2008?

    And if your answer is 'illegal wars' you are still quite a few billion short....

    Oh and by the way UK tax receipts went from £293.6 Bn (34.8% of GDP) in the 1997-1998 tax year to £514Bn in the 2007-2008 year (36.1% of GDP) then to £522.4B (35. 3% of GDP) in the 2010-11 year....

    So much for your lower tax cuts caused lower receipts nonsense as well
     
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  20. Caracus2k

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