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Brexit Discussion

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by FrenchTart, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. redeye

    Gangster

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

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    Location: Leipzig, Germany


    Excellent, excellent post Sir.

    I've said it since before the vote. The vast majority of reasons Brexiteers say they voted for it, are not down to things the EU does. Most is the fault of sucessive UK govenments. The rest is is mis-understandings of how the EU works, makes laws and how countries implement or don't implement things they can do e.g free movenment. Something to be said for teaching kids more about basic global economics, trade and critical thinking.

    The whole thing about fishing is a complete farce, made all the worse by Farage. I think he knew full well that the UK sold off it's quotas, which is why he didn't bother to attend the EU Fishing Committies- he knew it wasn't the fault of the EU. But by not going he could bluff it that it was the fault of the evil EU destoying UK Fishing communities.
     
  2. String

    Capodecina

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    I've got a work colleague claiming that we send £18.9Bn to the EU annually, we get £9Bn back and therefore he voted leave so we can save the other £9Bn.

    Pretty compelling reason to vote leave right there!

    I know the numbers are BS but where do you even start with stuff like this. People just believe anything that is put in front of them. He was claiming the figures were daily figures initially!
     
  3. FortuitousFluke

    Mobster

    Joined: Jul 7, 2011

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    Location: Cambridgeshire

    I'd be extremely interested to hear more about your background if you're willing to share. You're quite a vociferous advocate for Brexit so it would be interesting to understand the context from which your viewpoints are coming.

    I only used the above quote because I couldn't find the one I wanted to quote FYI, just in case you think I'm trying to make a point.
     
  4. garnett

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    Our net contribution each year between 2007 and 2013 was £3.8bn.

    This equates to about £65 per person.

    In 2011 the UK Govt estimated that the financial benefit of UK membership of the single market was worth £30-90bn a year.

    So 790% ROI, at worst case.
     
  5. JeditOjanen

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    The Saltire is in Scotland.

    But it's not the colours of the flag that make you racist; it's the fact that you're waving it. It's Jedit's Second Law of Social Dynamics: the likelihood that any given individual is racist rises directly with the surface area of flags they own.
     
  6. JeditOjanen

    Mobster

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    One vote to leave the EU.
     
  7. bayo000

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    Location: Manchester

    Yeah but that doesn't go into right pockets ;)
     
  8. garnett

    Mobster

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    Well quite. All this Brexiteer reasoning seems to require a blind eye be turned to the fact that, given the choice, kicking out all immigrants, and kicking out all Brexiteers, only one of those options is certain to set the UK economy soaring.

    Again, spot on.

    Brexiteers want control taken back... By those who would be our neo-Aristocracy.

    "I don't want EU bureaucrats stopping me from having to doff my cap at JRM in the street."
     
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  9. Freakbro

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    You've used comity a few times now, shouldn't it be committee?

    Not sure if comity is an auto correct or just a blind spot :p
     
  10. Murphy

    Wise Guy

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    It's a bit of both, it's my bad choice at picking an auto correct, apologies. :)

    I'll get it right next time. :o
     
  11. RedvGreen

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    Small Video taken from an interview with Nigel Farage. I am not sure of the provenance of this material, but unless he has a double, it certainly looks and sounds like him!


    https://streamable.com/s/plmwu/izkttu

    Quite a subverted way to put ideas in the more suggestible Brexit supporters' minds.
     
  12. Murphy

    Wise Guy

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    It's not fake as it's taken from an interview with the BBC.

     
  13. do_ron_ron

    Sgarrista

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    On the couple of times I have listened to him on LBC he has said something similar. LBC station's lawyer must have said something because on later shows he added 'Of course, I am not advocating violence'
     
  14. Bluntwrapped

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    The main issue I see reading some of the posts above, is the belief that Tories can be trusted with money and any ‘extra’ will be spent on quality of life/where it matters. Honestly, how could anyone be so bloody naive? People need to get a grip, quickly.
     
  15. Greebo

    Caporegime

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    Location: Co Durham

    Lowers receipts form where they could have been then? Who is to say we wouldn't have had 37% GDP if tax rates hadn't been cut??????

    Point is for the rising population successive government have not spent enough of the tax revenues on infrastructure such as schools and hospitals which is why people like my parents complain that it takes 3 weeks to see a doctor and when you do they are "smelly foreign ragheads" and then refuse to be treated by them
     
  16. redeye

    Gangster

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    They have already released the figures for money that will be spent on regions, compared to what they receive now with EU funding. There is a massive shortfall. Add into that the cuts since the financial crisis and overfall funding has plummeted. Which is why there are so many problems in the UK today, all of which are attributed by Brexiteers to the EU, but actually the fault of UK government.
     
  17. Bluntwrapped

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    Never ever EVER trust a Tory.

    An understanding many seem to struggle with.
     
  18. malachi

    Sgarrista

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    Lets go one further.

    Never trust any government because they only care about themselves.
     
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  19. do_ron_ron

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    I remember seeing a Newsnight report from the east of Germany(old East Germany) where the AfD were expected to take the town's mayor(ahead in the first round). In the second round the ruling party(CDU) got the seat.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48658551

    There was also another election result on BBC news where again AfD were expected to win but didn't. Is this the start of the end of the populist wave in Europe.
     
  20. Rilot

    Don

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    It could be. Europeans must be looking at the UK and Brexit with interest and thinking to themselves; yeah, we don't want that.