Britain stirring all the trouble?

Nitefly

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My parents have just come off holiday, during which they watched some of CNN.

There was a discussion about the war on a Iraq and the current situation with Iran and apparently they were discussing that the USA involvement with Iraq was Tony Blair's fault. It was solely Britain that persuaded the USA to go to war with their lies of weapons of mass destruction, and now we had planted people in Iran's waters in hope that the USA would follow them into some sort of war.

It seemed as if they were making Britain the 'fall guy' for the whole mess. Right.
Not being totally clued up on this issue, it initially insulted me that we could be treated in this way after all the support we have given America recently.

Is this just some wacky theory? Or do people in America actually think that this is true? I'm curious as what the masses of OCUK think about it, as in if they think its credible or a disgraceful stance to take.

Sorry for the lack of source, it was broadcast on TV and I wasn't there to watch it.
 
I'm surprised no-one has replied yet

Can't believe that they'd do that to us, particuarly after we've offered them so much support (most of it unpopular)

Never ceases to amaze me the depths some reporters will go
 
If this sort of story is being broadcast on mainstream TV in USA then for sure, people in the USA will believe it. People will believe anything if it comes from credible sources (in this case, CNN). And who knows, perhaps there is an element of truth in it. Perhaps Bliar wants a big war before he retires and wants to go out with a BANG.

The problem is that the wider world is now seeing that West, namely, Britain and USA seem to be medling in the Middle East where they dont really belong, so I guess everyone involved is beginning to make their excuses.

My own feeling about this is that we are spending far too much money on millitary intervention in the Middle East and I would rather it weren't my taxes that were funding this. I would rather my taxes be spent on the health service and education, inside the country I live in.

The excuse of weapons of mass destruction wore thin and was eventually proved wrong. If the USA and Britain go to war against Iran they will need to concuct a better excuse this time. I wonder what they will come up with?
 
Tbh I don't think this is entirely as Nitefly has portrayed it. Firstly, there would have to be some actual world news on American television, which is pretty rare :p I can believe that there would be people blaming us for Iraq, and it would probably be an Irish-American pressure group. Most Americans are know the score, that the largest portion of blame for Iraq lies at the feet of Bush for them.
 
Not surprised really, Britain is still stirring. On Sky news, they say tough action is needed, no more negotiation, we have lost face, saying we are a pushover, says Iran is making demands, they should not have handed over their bargaining card, our sailors should have fought back without giving briefings etc. Since when did a polite request become a demand? The Iranians used standard acceptable interrogation techniques as used by the British and were very happy to hand them back if we were a bit more firendly towards them when negotiating, why stir now? :cool:
 
For whatever reason, it seems the Brits are hell-bent on having a war. Perhaps the UK treasury is full to bursting :D and they need to spend that money on something - why not a war?
 
I have to agree, for us to call other nations terrorists is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. No wonder we are hated by many including our allies. :cool:
 
dirtydog said:
What? Can you explain that?


Whose side are you on? :confused:
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Our side of course, but I'm thinking of jumping ship to Austrailia if this type of nonsense carries on :)

And I refer of course to blindfolds, sleep deprivation and handcuffs :)
 
Skyfire said:
Our side of course, but I'm thinking of jumping ship to Austrailia if this type of nonsense carries on :)
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Don't let me stop you :)

And I refer of course to blindfolds, sleep deprivation and handcuffs :)
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That's how we treat foreign sailors who enter our territorial waters is it? (Even though we didn't enter Iranian waters.)
 
dirtydog said:
Which allies hate us? Isn't allies hating us an oxymoron?
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The lack of support troopwise from our allies speaks volumes ;) Does everything have to be announced officially in the Daily Mail before you can understand it or has quiet backroom chat died a death :cool:
 
Erazor said:
The lack of support troopwise from our allies speaks volumes ;) Does everything have to be announced officially in the Daily Mail before you can understand it or has quiet backroom chat died a death :cool:
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What 'lack of support troopwise'?
 
dirtydog said:
Don't let me stop you :)


That's how we treat foreign sailors who enter our territorial waters is it? (Even though we didn't enter Iranian waters.)
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Don't worry you won't :) but then I will have switched loyalties by that time. So it will be Austrailia vs the UK in my mind :p

The waters are in dispute so no side is right actually, however, following this incident, borders will be agreed by a committee :cool:
 
dirtydog said:
What 'lack of support troopwise'?
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How may other nations have committed large numbers of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq?

You know, I don't get you. You are a muslim hater but still want to go on the war path with other nations, you do realise this is not BNP policy? :confused:
 
trojan698 said:
Or maybe we will? I think it's pretty hard for anyone to decide which account is actually true.
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Indeed :eek:

Castor said:
And how did you form that opinion, know lots of americans do you?....oh no wait, i guess you believe everything the media tells you too.
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I actually do know many Americans have met plenty at uni, infact I was there only a couple of weeks ago in New York and the stuff they have on network news is just hyped up fear, killer bees come on... :o
 
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I dont know what version of CNN your parents were watching but they must have misunderstood what was being said.

I watch CNN all day during work and there has never been a story even suggesting that it was Britian who dragged the US into a war. In fact, news reports about the UK are almost always flatering.

Unless you can produce some sort of article about what you parents think they saw than I am going to call BS on this one.

I think the only story that might resemble what you are discribing is when they reported that the US Navy said they would never allow US sailors to be captured by the Iranians and talked about how US troops are instructed to keep to the main three: Name, Rank and Serial Number.

CNN MAY have had someone on who said that it was Britians fault but they, along with Fox, often bring idiots on so that they can be berated on National TV.
 
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