Soldato
It's not just a bunch though mate, it's more than a bunch. I linked you to the murder of Farkhunda, and like i said, it's hundreds of people around her. HUNDREDS!
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It's not just a bunch though mate, it's more than a bunch. I linked you to the murder of Farkhunda, and like i said, it's hundreds of people around her. HUNDREDS!
Soldato
1 thing which you have to remember about islam is that whatever comes before is to be ignored so if a verse that says to kill the infidel comes after a verse that says to make peace, The verse about making peace is to be ignored.
Soldato
Acknowledge there is a problem, that's the first step isn't it?
http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000004108808/the-killing-of-farkhunda.html
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'Bunch' doesn't have a specific value.
It's however many of those people there are, what that exact number is, nobody knows.
Soldato
It's a hell of a lot more than the wilfully blind and ignorant politically correct types want to admit to themselves.
Anyway I'm off for some bacon rapped steak with mash spuds, Laters chaps
Soldato
They are agreeing that it is in the Koran. Their interpretation of it is by-the-by. It is there.
You clearly stated that there was no such instruction in the Koran.
Are the parts I have emboldened for you instructions or not?
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I certainly don't deny that interpreting Islam the way these fanatics are is starting or continuing a dangerous trend/path which they carry out in its name.
I guess it is just the time of this phase until something new comes along. Whilst I despise all these people that claim to be on a crusade, and causing fear and hate to spread, it upsets me so much that (not by you or others on OcUK) so many people seem to tar all Muslims or "Arab-looking" people with such disdain, hate and suspicion. I'm not suggesting that I don't understand why there are these feelings, I am merely suggesting it is a sad state of affairs that it has got to this.
In my early years and also leading to my teens, and now, but much less, I spent a lot of time in the Middle East and have many friends who are both Arab and Muslim, and Arab and Christian. I've seen us all co-exist and enjoy life around one another with all the usual "first world problems" that young teens and kids have. Religion, and politics was the last thing to get between us. So I still hold onto that image, that 99% of people can live and work, and play together without any suspicion, or any other issues at all, with no threat, or hate etc...
However, I and others have seen people go one step too far, and seen them change, and you can see the conflict in their eyes, hearts and minds - but whatever has got hold of them has corrupted them beyond help. Like rot in a tree, if you let it take hold enough, doesn't matter how much pruning you do,you'll never save it
It's just such a sad state of affairs. Unfortunately, I understand that people will be typecast for their looks, beliefs and so on, people will be judged, unfairly, and these are just the times we live in. I just don't like it, and don't like seeing the hate propagate further. i.e. us, westerners and others, baring their teeth and becoming tribal - I feel that that just leads us down a dark path.
However, I don't know what the answer or alternative is either - I just know I don't like the current situation.
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I don't know if you've read all of what I have written in this thread, but I have said I do know of many of the bad things that go on in the name of Islam. I am far from 'blind' to this.
Of course there are 'problems' in association with Islam. This is not new.
What do you propose should done about it, that is not already being done?
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I think millions is what you are looking for.
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And I think I was right in what I said.
The totality of the Quran should not lead anyone into wanting to kill all non-Muslims. By saying 'that is not an instruction in the Quran' you have to know the context in which quotes of the type you have posted are made, and therefore what thoughts should be derived from them.
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More than 2 million? Where did you get your data from?
Whatever the number is what do you want done about Islam?
I certainly don't deny that interpreting Islam the way these fanatics are is starting or continuing a dangerous trend/path which they carry out in its name.
I guess it is just the time of this phase until something new comes along. Whilst I despise all these people that claim to be on a crusade, and causing fear and hate to spread, it upsets me so much that (not by you or others on OcUK) so many people seem to tar all Muslims or "Arab-looking" people with such disdain, hate and suspicion. I'm not suggesting that I don't understand why there are these feelings, I am merely suggesting it is a sad state of affairs that it has got to this.
In my early years and also leading to my teens, and now, but much less, I spent a lot of time in the Middle East and have many friends who are both Arab and Muslim, and Arab and Christian. I've seen us all co-exist and enjoy life around one another with all the usual "first world problems" that young teens and kids have. Religion, and politics was the last thing to get between us. So I still hold onto that image, that 99% of people can live and work, and play together without any suspicion, or any other issues at all, with no threat, or hate etc...
However, I and others have seen people go one step too far, and seen them change, and you can see the conflict in their eyes, hearts and minds - but whatever has got hold of them has corrupted them beyond help. Like rot in a tree, if you let it take hold enough, doesn't matter how much pruning you do,you'll never save it
It's just such a sad state of affairs. Unfortunately, I understand that people will be typecast for their looks, beliefs and so on, people will be judged, unfairly, and these are just the times we live in. I just don't like it, and don't like seeing the hate propagate further. i.e. us, westerners and others, baring their teeth and becoming tribal - I feel that that just leads us down a dark path.
However, I don't know what the answer or alternative is either - I just know I don't like the current situation.
That is an honest post. Thanks.
Soldato
We should flood all western non islamic countries with more islam and see what happens between the 2 very incompatible cultures, That should help right ?
Won't have any horrendous civil war inducing repercussions right ?
Sarcasm aside, You only need to take a step back and see that there will come a time when it's non muslims vs muslims and it will get very violent on a very large scale due to the major incompatibilities between islam and every other religion and culture on earth and the fact that with islam it's either their way or no way.
I'm not looking forward to the next few years I can tell you that much.
Touch wood everything settles down and things get better and not worse, I know I do not want to live in a war zone of a country.
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There ~1.6 billion muslims, lets just say 1% are terrorists and sympathisers, how many is that?
I am not being funny but a bit of maths and common sense will floor any "it's just a minority" argument.
Soldato
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Just read the update and this is a friend of the family, i hope he recovers, poor lad, my thoughts are with him and his dad / brother.
Having started reading the Koran recently its easy to see why these "painful and merciful" acts are committed against "non-believers".
Lots of talk of pain and the non-believers and I'm not even onto Women yet
Um, have you read the bible? Both books are radical and anyone interpreting them literally needs help.
A bit of maths would tell you that 1% is indeed a minority.
Soldato
Sorry to hear that.
I honestly hope that 1 day people can just get along and not let some old ideology rule their lives, This goes for any ideology.
HUGE difference, Christianity had a reformation and stopped being bat**** insane years ago, That hasn't happened with islam and I don't think it will.
I've said many a time Islam needs its reformation.
And this is the level of stupidity the rest of us are fighting.
So Arazi, just a bit of maths and common sense will prove 1% of the total isn't a minority...
Yea...good luck with that one!
Common sense aint so common anymore dude
You're absolutely right there Dice....just not for the reason you were meaning, lol
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