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Poll: British Grand Prix 2021, Silverstone - Race 10/23

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Shimmy, 13 Jul 2021.


Rate the 2021 British Grand Prix out of ten

Poll closed 25 Jul 2021.
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  1. Feek


    Joined: 16 Oct 2002

    Posts: 234,261

    Location: In the radio shack

    Great job in completely avoiding my question. The damage occurred during the contact, of course it did. What does that have to do with one driver visibly steering into the other driver?
  2. this_is_gav


    Joined: 17 Oct 2005

    Posts: 6,006

    Location: Northumberland

    Max opened the steering to give Hamilton a little more room, then turned back in to make the corner. There was nothing wrong with that. He was miles away from the apex himself and gave Hamilton plenty of room.

    Hamilton tried the block pass on Verstappen (getting ahead and slowing down on the apex to prevent a cut-back) but that required Verstappen to back off first. Verstappen was fully justified in taking the quicker line - whether he should have done given his championship position is obvious in hindsight, but is a moot point when judging whether any penalties should be applied.
  3. cuke2u


    Joined: 27 Feb 2006

    Posts: 2,790

    Location: East Sussex

    Agreed, Lewis was very lucky not to have a big off himself by driving into Max. Clearly it was Max's corner and on the fastest corner of the circuit Lewis should not be taking risks with his and Max's lives...
  4. Einskis


    Joined: 12 Apr 2021

    Posts: 315

    Location: It is cold here.

    Oh behave, Christian.
  5. stockhausen


    Joined: 30 Jul 2006

    Posts: 12,144

    During the course of the race there seemed to be a discussion between Toto Wolff and FIA F1 Race Director Micheal Masi in which Toto said that he had sent an email claiming that on the basis if some FIA rule, Hamilton was clearly not at fault. Masi said that he didn't access emails during a race. I don't know how this was resolved.

    However, in an interview later, Toto seemed to suggest that based on some FIA rule if the car behind was 50% alongside the other car, he had "right of way". I was under the impression that the overtaking driver had to be at least 100% alongside. Whatever, the Stewards decision should be accepted as final.

    I do believe that Hamilton repeated the allegedly insane overtake move (sticking a wheel up the inside at Copse) twice later in the race without a crash (Norris and Leclerc?). Horner may have been too busy expectorating dummies to notice those moves at a corner where not even a rookie driver would attempt to overtake ;)

    As an aside, listening to a couple of the radio messages between the cars and the pits following the crash I get the feeling that drivers can be given "advice" by the engineers - e.g.:

    I was under the impression that this practice was outlawed a while back :confused:
    Last edited: 19 Jul 2021
  6. EVH


    Joined: 11 Mar 2004

    Posts: 29,290

    Location: Wales

    No one seems to be talking about how on lap 1 Max went off the circuit, but kept his foot planted in order to re-join with enough momentum to take Lewis.

    The guy was doing everything possible to keep Lewis behind but Lewis mis-judged the corner and clipped Max. Interesting how his tyre came off the rim from a tap too... it almost suggests that the pressure was very low ;)
  7. cuke2u


    Joined: 27 Feb 2006

    Posts: 2,790

    Location: East Sussex

    On a more serious note, I have just read about all the totally unacceptable racist comments towards Lewis. Now I don't support any football these days because they of racist thugs that spoil it for the real fans. The reason I support F1 is that I thought it has a more mature and serious fan base. I was wrong it seems and the fact it is taking place makes me sick to the core.
  8. Quartz


    Joined: 1 Apr 2014

    Posts: 14,336

    Location: Aberdeen

    Yes, you only have to look at Vettel for that.
  9. jonneymendoza


    Joined: 7 Apr 2008

    Posts: 19,272

    No, read a earlier post i made touching on this.

    F1 is actually worse than football in the social media platform and forums of the like.

    Its not just racism but just the constant bickering between rival fanboys etc.

    It was this bad when vettel and hamilton or hamilton and roseberg where battling.

    I have not been to a f1 race since covid but pre covid, everyone was the complete opposite of the people here and others.

    everyone was so damm friendly. max fanboys all laughing and enjoying chatting and hanging out with hamilton fanst etc etc and this is my experience camping for 4 days mate.

    so so chilled its unbelievable when you hear people here and all around social media basically giving such a bad rep on F1 now.

    Redicolous and i have noticed it in the last 3 years.
  10. Yaayuh!


    Joined: 5 Nov 2010

    Posts: 22,023

    Do we have the examples of the messages? Are they even F1 fans? Are they troll accounts/bots?
  11. MissChief


    Joined: 17 Jul 2010

    Posts: 21,681

    being relatively anonymous can bring out the worst in some people.
  12. this_is_gav


    Joined: 17 Oct 2005

    Posts: 6,006

    Location: Northumberland

    The rim itself came off (you can see it flying over Hamilton's car). The tyre came off the wheel because there was nothing to hold it on.
  13. this_is_gav


    Joined: 17 Oct 2005

    Posts: 6,006

    Location: Northumberland

    If so please don't post them here. We don't need any more poison.

    Report them, condemn them but we don't want to see any of that.
  14. Basher


    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 9,152

    Of course he should, he's a racing driver.
  15. MissChief


    Joined: 17 Jul 2010

    Posts: 21,681

    Very lucky the tyre didn’t start bouncing and clear the fence tbh.
  16. RobHu


    Joined: 29 Jan 2008

    Posts: 765

    Interesting race, and very interesting to see the subsequent meltdown on certain forums (*cough* reddit where a few people are literally calling for a season ban).

    I do think the penalty was probably justified. Hamilton has an argument that he was significantly alongside at the turn in point but ultimately his trajectory was probably slightly wrong for the corner. A marginal call IMO. That said Max could've avoided the contact by running wider as Leclerc did later in the race. You can see from his onboard that he knew Hamilton was there. I suspect he thought Hamilton would do whatever was necessary to avoid the contact as he has tended to this season whenever Max has been aggressive - He actually made a very similar move on Hamilton in the sprint the day before didn't he? And Hamilton sensibly yielded there to avoid contact. Hamilton I think has had enough of coming off second best in this scenario and decided enough was enough.

    Looking forward to seeing what happens at the next race. Will Max learn from this and be a little more cautious or go the other way and end up in another wreck? He has the fastest car so if he's smart he'll just play the percentages as Hamilton has done in recent years, but we'll see!
  17. fez


    Joined: 22 Aug 2008

    Posts: 18,191

    Location: Tunbridge Wells

    People do realise that this sort of racist abuse has been happening forever online. In much the same way that people don't get stabbed in London for only 2 weeks a year, the only reason this is "suddenly an issue" is because the media have picked up on it and its topic de jour. The world is getting less racist every year, its just largely been ignored when a few idiots decide to use their time to advertise that they are scumbags. Now we are publicising it.

    Race baiting and identity politics is the hot topic right now and like all the best news it winds both sides of the debate up. Extra points if you have a big bold headline that lures people in and then you offer no actual context or relevant information in the article itself. Its pretty telling that any source that does offer analysis or breakdown is ignored in favour of emotional reporting.
  18. this_is_gav


    Joined: 17 Oct 2005

    Posts: 6,006

    Location: Northumberland

    Tyres don't tend to bounce unless they're still on the rim and have some pressure in them, thankfully. Verstappen might well have dug in, rolled (Alonso at Melbourne style) and vaulted the fence himself if the wheel and hub hadn't still been largely intact.

    Schumacher rolled his Ferrari by sliding sideways into the gravel at speed at Melbourne in 2002, and that had all four wheels still still attached.
    Last edited: 19 Jul 2021
  19. Alibaba99


    Joined: 29 Jun 2004

    Posts: 2,550

    This is covered on the BBC.

  20. Goksly


    Joined: 5 Mar 2003

    Posts: 10,660

    Location: Nottingham

    But he made the corner, easily, so didn't carry too much speed? One race they say if you're on the outside you're at the mercy of the person on the inside. Next race, you can't put a wheel on the inside because it's dangerous?
    From my POV racing incident. Ham has yielded a number of times, this time he didn't. Either could have backed off, Ham did just way too late - maybe if he left his foot stuck in different wheels would have touched an outcome very different.

    From now on it's going to be tasty and 100% I'd not be overtaking outside.