C63 AMG / M3 / RS4

Indeed, and i will admit that i am blinkered as i love Merc products, so naturally when i get the chance to actually experience a C63 i absolutely loved it - unlike the M3 which is a rather more run of the mill car in these parts and therefore obviously has a much reduced impact

Re the driving of C63/M3, i know rich people, not stupid people. :)
 
An E92 M3. I'm watching them closely as their depreciation over the next 18-24 months might allow them to be included on my next car shortlist :)
 
None of them are cars I'd be dissapointed to own - I love all 3. However I predict the residuals on each will put the C63 out of reach and although the build is spot on I'm not sold on the interior, and the RS4 has a bit of a reputation for not offering a competitive running costs:enjoyment ratio.

I also particularly love the way the E92 looks which lends itself to settling for a 335i M Sport or something if the budget isnt high enough, whereas you cant do that with the Audi as the A4 is superdull. That said, the regular C Class Sport mercs look fantastic.

It'll be a big petrol engine anyway as my useage is just 4 miles each way to work with a couple of big motorway trips as a month so fuel economy isnt a big deal (That said I don't want 15mpg on the Motorway) :p
 
[TW]Fox;15238226 said:
None of them are cars I'd be dissapointed to own - I love all 3. However I predict the residuals on each will put the C63 out of reach
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i commented on this earlier

e92 M3s dipped below 40k when the recession was at its hardest. There was a nice minter of a saloon up for 37k about a month ago. Now ? not a single saloon under 40k in sight.

But the C63 on the other hand, has hardly budged. They are still fetching around 50k which is barely any depreciaiton at all.
 
Housey said:
I don't believe the car has 360bhp from nothing more than and air filter and a chip, most 'tuners' like to use that number but the fact is most CSL's will only put out around 355bhp and their engine is somewhat more worked on. Most standard E46 M3's put out around 325bhp to 335bhp and a chip, if you're lucky with 100 cell cats will probably see 345bhp to 350bhp in real terms and in my experience the differences are very very small between a tweaked M and a standard one, not worth the money in my view either.
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Neither do i but all i know is that the owner of the Dealership that he bought the car from said himself that it was his own personal car on which he spent a fair bit of money on getting tuned...its been tuned by Dinan, north american BMW tuning specialists. My brother also had a dyno printout quoting the power output and from what i saw it was close to 360bhp..

Its not only the chip and air filter he has had done on it...but also has a free flow exhaust system installed and a few suspension mods as well...the guy said that it was ceramic but i think just the tailpipes are ceramic.

And my brother didnt spend a single penny on tuning it, it was tuned well before he bought it;).

Housey said:
I have no idea how your brothers car goes or the details on what it's had done but I do not know of a chipped M3 anywhere that is MUCH quicker than a standard one. My first M3 was a very loose car and was a bit quicker than other M3's when side by side but mine was as I drove it out the showroom, some cars are just looser. I also ran it alongside a chipped M3 and my standard car was still quicker, so I wouldn't read too much into tuners wild claims of bhp gains on an engine that is already in a very high state of road tune.
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Fair enough but from what i saw and felt whilst in the car and having driven a standard M3 myself...the car was much much quicker than the ordinary M3..the paddle shifting was brutal at the best of times....in fact the car felt very very raw imho compared to the tameness of the ordinary M3...

Anyhow all i can give is my opinion on how my brothers M3 performs and honestly i think its a lot more powerful than the standard M3.

In fact heres the link to the tuners that did my brothers M3 and the package that he has on the car: http://www.dinancars.com/store/product.php?productid=1588&cat=548&page=1
 
Spawn said:
Fair enough but from what i saw and felt whilst in the car and having driven a standard M3 myself...the car was much much quicker than the ordinary M3..the paddle shifting was brutal at the best of times....in fact the car felt very very raw imho compared to the tameness of the ordinary M3...
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Paddle shifting is pretty brutal in any e46 SMG M3.

What other e46 M3s have you been in? I'd be surprised if it did feel much quicker than most ordinary M3s, purely due to the fact it carries the extra weight of a cabrio. At best I would imagine the extra 'tuning' would put it on par with a standard coupe.

As Housemaster says, remapping or changing the air filter/exhaust on an M3 will give negligible gains.
 
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Either buy a passat or a 530D M sport. Compared to them, all the OP's are bad choices.

Not sure what I would do if I had that much expendable, these days I wonder if theres much point in spending 50k on a car when you can get a nice classy comfortable one for 10k.
 
twoblacklines said:
Either buy a passat or a 530D M sport. Compared to them, all the OP's are bad choices.

Not sure what I would do if I had that much expendable, these days I wonder if theres much point in spending 50k on a car when you can get a nice classy comfortable one for 10k.
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I agree. £50k for me would be an F360, 996 Turbo or (so very nearly) a Gallardo. I.e. proper exotica.

Even £20k-25k buy some superb last generation cars (Z4M coupe, 996 C4S, 997 C2, e60 M5) with change for something to punt around the track.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
While I'm not au fait with all things BMW as others on here, I'm fairly sure I just found 7 of them on auto trader under £40k. Granted, not a long way under £40k (the cheapest was £37,850) but they're almost all trade sellers so you'd pay less than sticker price anyway.
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sorry i should have been more specific.

on pistonheads that is

but its usually a good yardstick for what the second hand prices are. Obviously some traders have cottoned on to the fact they dont have to charge that low.
 
MrLOL said:
but its usually a good yardstick for what the second hand prices are.
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Actually I'd disagree with that.
IME, people selling on pistonheads are car fans and tend to value their cars more than what they're actually worth.....so they advertise them at the high end of the price bracket. That's why you tend not to get a bargain on PH, but you do tend to get the better examples of a particular car.
Plus you need to take into account that all you see is the asking prices, not what they're actually going for.
 
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