Cameron wants to privatise the roads
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Soldato
Fuel Tax and VED just go into general taxation. They are not ringfenced for transportation spending at all.
If you want to see extra spending on roads without paying any extra in tax then you need to outline what other expenditure you would see cut instead.
Caporegime
Yes, totally. That is where all the money went.
Soldato
Pretty unrelated. What do you suggest? I've heard from a few people that the only true way to get this country back on its feet is if there was a large scale (world) war again then everyone would have to get off their arses to survive. Productivity would be at a ridiculous high. War machinery being made left right centre then being sold off to allies. No, I don't want a war but I'm not sure how else we can really make money anymore.
Surely we'd have to loan money to fund the war though?
We can make money by exporting to other countries!
As a motoring enthusiast I'm instantly against any kind of price hike. But is this not a good thing for the future economy?
As we all know London and the SE in general is full, with the Enterprise Zones and HS2 the government is pushing/planning for more industry and 'business' to be done outside these areas but the infrastructure isn't there yet. UK PLC is flat broke and we can't turn to the EU to fund our new roads like Spain because... well... no one knows, but we can't. So it's up to the saving grace of the private sector.
VED will go on existing roads and new roads will be tolls, that in its self dosen't sound like such a bad thing, it costs us the same and the private sector can make room for savings. Motoring in this country is rather cheap compared to the rest of Europe, it could be better yes and I'm fully aware that increases in road costs will effect everything we buy because things need to get to places to be sold/delivered. But if we don't have the capacity for support 70-80+ million people and all their stuff things will get a lot more expensive! The UK has to be a place where starting or moving a business to makes sense because we have fantastic transportation internally and externally (Hi 3rd Heathrow runway), along with low interest and a stable currency.
As we all know London and the SE in general is full, with the Enterprise Zones and HS2 the government is pushing/planning for more industry and 'business' to be done outside these areas but the infrastructure isn't there yet. UK PLC is flat broke and we can't turn to the EU to fund our new roads like Spain because... well... no one knows, but we can't. So it's up to the saving grace of the private sector.
VED will go on existing roads and new roads will be tolls, that in its self dosen't sound like such a bad thing, it costs us the same and the private sector can make room for savings. Motoring in this country is rather cheap compared to the rest of Europe, it could be better yes and I'm fully aware that increases in road costs will effect everything we buy because things need to get to places to be sold/delivered. But if we don't have the capacity for support 70-80+ million people and all their stuff things will get a lot more expensive! The UK has to be a place where starting or moving a business to makes sense because we have fantastic transportation internally and externally (Hi 3rd Heathrow runway), along with low interest and a stable currency.
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Yup - but that is still just one single company running the whole thing... only difference to network rail is that railtrack was public and network rail state owned...
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What a lovely personal insult when you then go on to confirm your ignorance on the subject matter.
You don't want to pay more for better roads as you've said again, then you talk about the current road tax being spent on other things, then you say Labour's spending is neither here nor there.
Try and connect the dots, it doesn't matter WHAT you pay tax for, this country costs X amount to run, therefore they need to bring in X amount from tax. People are stupid, they feel better being taxed smaller amounts from multiple sources rather than being told they have to pay 60% tax on their wages and not get taxed anywhere else.
Labour are the reason spending is so high, FACT, Labour are the reason there is AS MUCH waste as there is, FACT, they left the country spending a lot over the 160billion more than they received in tax that the deficit currently sits around. The only thing that is neither here nor there is where your road tax goes...... its tax, its part of the giant tax pool that is tax income that pays for how this country is run, mostly badly and again that is hugely down to Labour.
The current spending on all taxes DOES NOT COVER what the government spends, FACT, if you want better roads, and you do, you want it to magically happen without paying for it, when there is no money.
Also yes, you made a truly epically laughable claim that it feels like you're being charged for everything... you SHOULD BE, this is how the world works, and you still managed to both not realise this, insult someone, and fail to connect who is at fault and why you still have to pay more for the better service THAT YOU WANT.
What I don't get, why not do the simple things first.
Legalise small electric vehicles. Segway sort of size. Allow them in cycle lanes/bus lanes.
And build more cycle lanes. A lot of journeys are a few miles and the same trip day in day out. It would be a cheap and easy to implement, which would see some shift and an increasing shift at that as more people look at alternative transport and more decent supply. Just look at the massive range of electric cycles now available. Some are awesome 15mph, 40mile range.
On bigger scale, road infrastructure is a huge issue. It hasn't been invested in, any public investment is wasted due to planning and protests, at some point we can't just keep building more and more (but we're a long way from that).
I think we should be doing a feasibility study on V2V communication(just like USA is) and making it law after study for all new cars to be fitted with it. So much capacity could be freed up by restricting us the driver from being stupid and following simple rules.
Legalise small electric vehicles. Segway sort of size. Allow them in cycle lanes/bus lanes.
And build more cycle lanes. A lot of journeys are a few miles and the same trip day in day out. It would be a cheap and easy to implement, which would see some shift and an increasing shift at that as more people look at alternative transport and more decent supply. Just look at the massive range of electric cycles now available. Some are awesome 15mph, 40mile range.
On bigger scale, road infrastructure is a huge issue. It hasn't been invested in, any public investment is wasted due to planning and protests, at some point we can't just keep building more and more (but we're a long way from that).
I think we should be doing a feasibility study on V2V communication(just like USA is) and making it law after study for all new cars to be fitted with it. So much capacity could be freed up by restricting us the driver from being stupid and following simple rules.
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the conservatives want to privatise something?
Simply too many people on this small island. There will never be a cheap and reliable transport infrastructure capable of supporting our population, especially as it's only going to grow.
Overpopulated country, of course we have problems that the French and Germans don't. It's silly to use those countries as examples.
Overpopulated country, of course we have problems that the French and Germans don't. It's silly to use those countries as examples.
The issue is are population isn't high enough and to spread out. Greater population would make it far cheaper to run public transport.
Compare the size of are cities to foreign cities with great transport and we're just to small.
The other issue, many countries started well after us or where raised to the floor in ww2, meaning far less hassle to just build infrastructure. Australia(Perth) is a great example of what you can do, when your not crammed into an existing city.
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I think if tax were to be prioritised and focused on a specific problem for a short period of time, before moving onto the next problem then we wouldn't have this problem. 
Right now it seems we are trying to "fix" everything at the same time and it's putting stress on all tax payers.
Right now it seems we are trying to "fix" everything at the same time and it's putting stress on all tax payers.
Already there mate, 35 and don't know how to drive, don't need to as i live in London. Having a car was too expensive since before Labour went into power
My god you really are impertinent. Read what I wrote. I am quite aware what tax is and how it works, and I am happy to pay it but its this simple, my tax is being misappropriated to the wrong places.
Priorities. If we have 1 trillion and the NHS, Services, and Infrastructure cost 0.8 trillion then that's what it goes on first, if we run out of money and we have all those things, then further tax necessary. I don't agree with many many other little things getting any money until those are covered (and there are far to many to list)
It's like living to your means, you don't go out and spend loads of money on chocolate and beer and then realise you don't have money for rent. If you happen to be wealthier then go buy your beer and chocolate, but when you lose your job, something has to be cut back, and it can't be the rent can it (although that what this and the previous government seem to think)
The world does work for being charged for things, I'm not stupid, I'm just angry that my hard earn time and effort is not being used efficiently and logically, so I receive a value for my tax, and am left with money to spend on commodities which helps the economy.
Just because something is broken, doesn't mean throwing money at it will fix it.
I never said I didn't want to pay for it, I already do thanks. I want the money I give to be used for these purpose. I think I've made this point very clear by now. IF government spending is more than the tax then something has to go, and it should not be the roads for god sake.
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