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Canada's Trudeau back under a cloud heading into tight election

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Evangelion, Aug 16, 2019.

  1. BowdonUK

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    I'm surprised he's not resigned already. Considering if this was someone else he'd be condemning them and calling for their resignation.
     
  2. plasmahal

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    Double standards, different rules apply to the morally elite left.
     
  3. Greebo

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    Would Trump have resigned? Or BJ? Did cameron resign over sticking his wang in a pig? Plenty of people are calling for him to resign so i don't see why you are saying this is different?
     
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  4. Lord-Jaffa

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    What racist stuff has Trump done and said?
     
  5. GordyR

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    This is the wrong thread but:

    https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

    I'll pick out one of the more tame examples from then many on record incidents listed:

     
  6. Jono8

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  7. BowdonUK

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    It's nothing to do with anyone else but Trudeau. He's the one who acts morally virtuous. He should resign for failing to live up to the standards that HE set for himself.

    It's like condemning others for being racist, then being exposed as a racist, but in your mind he gets a pass?

    You attack people for defending Trump at all costs, yet you're doing exactly the same here with Trudeau.
     
  8. Greebo

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    Who is giving him a pass? Who says he is a racist? I don't think he has being exposed as a racist.On that basis so am I and so are 10,000s of other people.

    If that is your measure as to what qualifies as a racist than you must agree that the far worst things Trump has done, he is absolutely a racist? No? I thought not.

    No i attack people for defending Trump when they have no evidence to defend him on and just lie to defend him . And as I said, how can I attack Trudeau for what he did unless I was prepared to accept that I am a racist or a hypocrite myelf?
     
  9. Jono8

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    What is this rubbish?

    Trump constantly criticises his past self and makes a mockery of everything himself and his party are supposed to stand for.

    Just as an example, he extols the virtues of white hardline Christians, God and the bible yet has had multiple divorces and had unprotected sex with a porn star, whilst married.

    Or maybe another one whilst we are here - tells America how dangerous immigrants are and how they cant be let in because some may be criminals, yet a large amount of his high ranking campaign staff/managers/lawyers are felons.
     
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  10. ANDREW GREEN

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    Except it's nothing alike because it isn't racist belief, it's something associated with racism that he dressed up as in costume at a fancy dress party 18 years ago. Where as Trump has voiced racist views over decades, Trudeau has been quite the opposite. He's come out and said he should of known better. Bloke just loves dress up

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  11. Demon

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    'Freedom' is a very fluid term these days, Bill C-16 and the controversy with Jordan Peterson would suggest one mans idea of 'freedom' is not quite another mans..

    Saying that, I think we live in crazy times when what is effectively fancy dress is so misconstrued these days.. I once dressed up in silver makeup as a robot, when they rise up to enslave humanity I hope they don't use that against me..
     
  12. dowie

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    Difference is that the pig thing is just a rumour/allegation without evidence... if a photo had emerged of him ****ing a pig then that might be different.
     
  13. robgmun

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    Growing up in the 80's and 90's in London i can honestly say i never seen anyone "Black up" in real life. I find it truly bizarre why anyone would, surely even back then people weren't this naive??

    Oh and Trudeau himself it was racist what he did. So is he going to hold up to his own strict standards and resign? of course he won't because he's a virtue-signalling hypocrite.
     
  14. Lord-Jaffa

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  15. BowdonUK

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    Trump isn't going around condemning racism is he, I'm sure you would agree on that?

    The point I'm making is that if a person goes around condemning something and then is found out to have done those acts himself that makes him a big hypocrite.

    You're not a hypocrite if you do in actions what you say in words.

    But since I wrote the last post I've found out why he's not resigning. Because the two leaders of the other two parties have also expressed resignation type opinions. Scheer compared gay people to dogs, and Singh failed to condemn Sikh extremists after they were involved in bombing an Air India flight, killing 329 people.

    I have to say for all we debate about British politics, the state of Canadian politics seems far worse.
     
  16. Jono8

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    Yes.
     
  17. Lord-Jaffa

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    Then you have no idea what true racism is.
     
  18. ANDREW GREEN

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    So you get upset someone calls for equality and want them sacked on a technicality, nice one.
     
  19. Jono8

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    I suggest you read that wikipedia link properly.
     
  20. StriderX

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    So it's not true racism to blame a bunch of black men for a murder they didn't commit because they're black?

    It's not true racism to say "my african american" as if he owns them?

    It's not true racism to discriminate against ethnic minorities in the 80s for his properties?

    You'll say anything to deny it because you want to be able to be just as insensitive.

    Anyway Trudeau should have resigned, he's damaging his party every second now.
     
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