1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Cannabis - Best as a Class B or C

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by cosmogenesis, 28 Jul 2007.

  1. cosmogenesis

    Mobster

    Joined: 15 Mar 2007

    Posts: 3,155

    I cannot make up my mind on this one. THC the active ingredient in the plant can in certain circumstances certain and with certain types of people especially the young with developing minds can get a psychosis which means experiencing paranoia and fear and if taken often enough (every day maybe) or in large enough. The psychosis can last a long time maybe even for life as I understand it but the risk appears small.

    Is this enough of a reason ? Alcohol and fags hardly speak volumes about legalising it.

    Anyone else got an opinion ?
     
  2. Richdog

    Caporegime

    Joined: 8 Sep 2005

    Posts: 26,683

    Location: Utopia

    Class B... I smoked it solid for 4 years and in that time it more to screw my head up than anything else i've ever tried. It is HIGHLY addictive and will find whatever chinks in your mental armour it can and blow them wide open. My character changed completely, and it took me a good two years to fully recover after I quit.
     
  3. cosmogenesis

    Mobster

    Joined: 15 Mar 2007

    Posts: 3,155

    That did not happen to me. I guess that are one of the susceptible ones maybe.
     
  4. Posty

    Mobster

    Joined: 28 Feb 2004

    Posts: 4,009

    which ever class takes the most work off the police
     
  5. Skunkworks

    Soldato

    Joined: 3 Jun 2005

    Posts: 7,482

    If the government are starting to re-classify drugs on their potential health risks, then it should be done across the board, including the legal (and highly taxed) ones.
    You smoked it solid for 4 years and became addicted? I would say your problems were due to you. And if it were class B instead of C would you have declined to use it? If you abuse anything it will be detrimental. Plenty of people require hospital treatment for their abuse of food. And plenty of people enjoy a glass of wine in the evening without becoming raving alcoholics and killing people whilst drink driving.

    I, and several of my friends, have all used it in the past. We are all very normal, professional, and well balanced people. That’s because we used it, not abused it.

    The drug should stay class C, or even be legalised and controlled, as the government are doing this to score points, not for any real reason.
     
    Last edited: 28 Jul 2007
  6. Bear

    Capodecina

    Joined: 24 Oct 2002

    Posts: 13,345

    Location: Bucks and Edinburgh

    Sorry but thats garbage, and it says more about you than the cannabis. It is very well known that cannabis is not physically addictive although it can be phsycologically, but so can anything be to the weak willed.

    Like Skunkworks, I smoked amongst other things and did so for over 8 years virtually every day over that period. That was 10 years ago and I just stopped as I'd had enough of it and am a normal working proffesional and havent touched anything since.
     
  7. Richdog

    Caporegime

    Joined: 8 Sep 2005

    Posts: 26,683

    Location: Utopia

    When I said addictive I didn't mean physically and I didn't specify exactly what I meant, of course I meant psychologically. And it doesn't make me weak-willed that I got addicted to it and it affected me so badly, it was just a time in my life when I went off of the rails, so please stop talking like you know anything about me. It affects everyone in different ways, and I am one of the unlucky ones that it affected badly. Some of my friends weren't affected at all. That doesn't make it any less dangerous.

    What do you want, a sodding medal? I bow to thee o' normal, professional, balanced individual... lol...
     
    Last edited: 28 Jul 2007
  8. Jaap74

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 25 Feb 2006

    Posts: 1,091

    Location: Sydney

    doesn't matter if it's B or C or Q...... people will smoke it regardless
     
  9. Richdog

    Caporegime

    Joined: 8 Sep 2005

    Posts: 26,683

    Location: Utopia

    True, but the penalties for getting caught with it and supplying it etc will be more severe.
     
  10. Jaap74

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 25 Feb 2006

    Posts: 1,091

    Location: Sydney

    I don't think a 14 year old will think about it in that way really.... they will either give into peer pressure or not.......
     
  11. Richdog

    Caporegime

    Joined: 8 Sep 2005

    Posts: 26,683

    Location: Utopia

    Agreed but once caught they may think twice about doing it again, especially if the parents are notified.
     
  12. Judge Mortis

    Gangster

    Joined: 22 Jun 2007

    Posts: 242

    Thats true in theory, but in practice I don't think it would make much of a difference.

    For Class A possession you can get up to 7 years and life for supply.

    For Class B you can get up to 5 years for possession and 14 years for supply.

    For Class C you can get up to 2 years for possession and 5 years for supply.

    All of the above can be with an unlimited fine as well.

    I have never known anyone get the maximum for either possession nor supply. I was involved in one job where a suspect was stopped in a vehicle that contained about 40,000 ecstasy micks which is a Class A drug. He received 5 years.

    As for the question ... I think Class B is the right classification for Cannabis.
     
    Last edited: 28 Jul 2007
  13. robmiller

    Capodecina

    Joined: 26 Dec 2003

    Posts: 16,522

    Location: London

    Decriminalise it (I'd say legalise it, but that poses too many practical problems with international law).

    If there are health problems with it, then they're are exactly that—health problems, to be dealt with by our healthcare infrastructure. The health problems and potential health problems of illegal drugs are the biggest red herring in the debate on legalisation.
     
  14. RDM

    Capodecina

    Joined: 1 Feb 2007

    Posts: 20,613

    Legalise it, licence it, tax it.

    It is your body so you should be free to do whatever you want with it. Decriminalise it, legitimise the supply and then you can make sure it is clean, a particular strength and you can keep tabs on who is selling it and to whom. Do the same for all drugs. Educate about the risks and let adults make informed choices.
     
  15. KNiVES

    Capodecina

    Joined: 4 Jan 2005

    Posts: 14,871

    Legalizing it would cause more problems I think - more people would be using, which in turn leads to more health problems and more pressure on the NHS. This costs money, and we're already totally stretched as it is.
     
  16. robmiller

    Capodecina

    Joined: 26 Dec 2003

    Posts: 16,522

    Location: London

    There's no evidence to show that legalisation or even decriminalisation would result in more users of illegal drugs, especially drugs as already widely-used as cannabis.

    Also, with a substance as utterly benign as cannabis, the cost benefits from taxation—either levied directly on the product, or in the case of decriminalisation indirectly on the earnings of coffee shops and their employees—would far outweigh any cost to the healthcare system. I mean it's not as if drug dealers currently pay any taxes is it, and yet we still have to bear the cost of the health problems caused by drugs plus the cost of enforcing anti-drug laws plus the cost of imprisoning drug users.

    Also, currently our prisons are far more stretched than our hospitals—removing harmless drug users from them (that is, people who are in prison solely because of drug use, not related crimes) would ease the burden substantially.
     
  17. Zefan

    Don

    Joined: 15 Jan 2006

    Posts: 31,343

    Location: Tosche Station

    Either stick in in B or legalise it.

    This pussy footing around is pathetic, it might as well be borderline legal at the moment and that's just ridiculous.
     
  18. Judge Mortis

    Gangster

    Joined: 22 Jun 2007

    Posts: 242

    For legalisation, where do you stop?

    Can heroin users then say well if cannabis is legal why not heroin? Crack users could say similar? Legalisation may not be as simple as it sounds.
     
  19. Judge Mortis

    Gangster

    Joined: 22 Jun 2007

    Posts: 242

    Is that not the the problem though ..... people in custody for drug use alone will be far outweighed by drug users and associated crime. To be jailed for possession of drugs for personal use is almost unheard of now.
     
    Last edited: 28 Jul 2007
  20. robmiller

    Capodecina

    Joined: 26 Dec 2003

    Posts: 16,522

    Location: London

    We couldn't legalise it though—not while remaining a member of the UN and EU, anyway. The former's United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances requires member states to criminalise certain substances, and the latter's agencies like EMCDDA and Europol, as well as things like the Schengen Agreement, make legalisation on anything but an EU-wide basis a practical nightmare.

    The most liberal drug laws conceivable in the EU and UN are a system of Netherlands-style decriminalisation.