CERNs' LHC delayed...

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CERN announced today that their LHC that has been in development since 1994(?) will now be delayed till spring 2008.

Been waiting for this thing to start up for some time now :(

http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Welcome.html

http://www.newscientisttech.com/art...ggest-particle-collider-is-delayed-again.html

Background info for those who have no idea what I'm talking about:

The LHC has been assembled over 15 years in a project involving more than 10000 physicists, and 500 research bodies and firms around the world. The machine was originally planned to start operating in 2002, but funding problems delayed the launch until 2007.

The project "could be the most ambitious scientific undertaking ever", and its results "will probably change our fundamental knowledge of the universe", its organisers say.

Scientists plan to smash together high-energy protons in two counter-rotating beams in the tunnel to look for signatures of supersymmetry, dark matter and the origins of mass.

The beams will be made up of billions of protons, which will be injected into the accelerator in bunchesand kept circulating for hours, guided by thousands of powerful superconducting magnets. Each proton will go around the 27-km ring over 11,000 times a second.
 
Oh and for all you people who like to scare loved ones and friends with random info:

Safety concerns

As with the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC), people both inside and outside of the physics community have voiced concern that the LHC might trigger one of several theoretical disasters capable of destroying the Earth or even our entire Universe.

These include:

-Creation of a stable black hole[7]
-Creation of strange matter that is more stable than ordinary matter
-Creation of magnetic monopoles that could catalyze proton decay
-Triggering a transition into a different quantum mechanical vacuum (see False vacuum)


CERN performed a study to investigate whether such dangerous events as micro black holes, strangelets, or magnetic monopoles could occur.[8]

The report concluded, "We find no basis for any conceivable threat." If black holes are produced, they are expected to evaporate almost immediately via Hawking radiation and thus be harmless, although the existence of Hawking radiation is currently unconfirmed. Perhaps the strongest argument for the safety of colliders such as the LHC comes from the simple fact that cosmic rays of much higher energies than the LHC can produce have been bombarding the Earth, Moon and other objects in the solar system for thousands of millions of years with no such effects.

However, some people remain concerned about the safety of the LHC such as the science watchdog group called the Lifeboat Foundation which has covered these dangers in detail. As with any new and untested experiment, it is not possible to say with utter certainty what will happen. John Nelson at Birmingham University stated of RHIC that "it is astonishingly unlikely that there is any risk - but I could not prove it."[9] In academia there is some question, albeit among a minority of scientists, of whether the Hawking radiation theory is correct.[10] RHIC has been running since 2000 and has generated no major problems.
 
Ricochet J said:
Yup. They're accellerating to about 98% 99% the speed of light! :) At that speed the photons might weigh as much as me or you!

Then they ram them into each other. Its just the high tech equivalent of banging a few rocks together. :D
 
Hope it does create something we've never seen before. It's definetely something that hasn't been tried before. Might aswell get everything I've ever wanted to do done quick before anyone else realises! :p
 
FosterK said:
That's over a billion Km/H =|

Erk.
and there are 2 counter-rotating beams so a closing velocity of > 2x10^9 km/h :eek:

If you were travelling at the speed of one of the beams you could travel around the equator about 7.5 times a second, or get to the moon in about 1.4 seconds, beggers belief really!!
 
Ricochet J said:
At that speed the photons might weigh as much as me or you!

You mean protons? Photons are massless and naturally travel at the speed of light.

And given the Lorentz factor, at 99% the speed of light protons will have a mass 50.251 times larger than what they do at rest.
 
Col_M said:
If you were travelling at the speed of one of the beams you could travel around the equator about 7.5 times a second, or get to the moon in about 1.4 seconds, beggers belief really!!

...and with time-dilation it would seem much faster to you.

Of course, you would have to factor in the acceleration / deceleration when going to the moon, which would have to be pretty mild to avoid squashing you against the rear of the spacecraft (star-trek style inertial dampers aside...).
 
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