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Cheese or not cheese?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mr Badger, 22 Feb 2019.

  1. Mr Badger

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    I can't believe no one else has posted here about this, the great issue of our time:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-en...ton-vegan-shop-cheese-labelling-is-misleading

    Where do you stand?

    Should they be closed down and stopped from their path of vegan evil as they attempt to ensnare good, honest dairy eating folk with their sinister plant based alternatives?

    Or are you cheesed off with the milky purists and should we be saying give (vegan) cheese a chance?
     
  2. Yadda

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    I can see how "milk" and "cream" can be used as descriptions for non-dairy products, just.

    But "cheese"?

    Hmmm.

    Why not give it its own name? If it's good then it'll sell on its own merit.
     
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  3. LuckyBenski

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    Just call it GARY SHOP.

    Job done. Everyone will know that it is Definitely Not Cheese then.
     
  4. Yaayuh!

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    It's clear that the dairy companies are only brining this up to protect their sales, they wouldn't want people going off elsewhere and finding an alternative. It's been commercially available for decades, only now are they bringing it up because it's becoming popular.

    So long as they state clearly that it's Vegan, then I don't see the issue.

    What I don't understand however is if you can't call it cheese, then surely they should be up in arms with almond and coconut "milk" as well? Also, body butter is a thing :D
     
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  5. krooton

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    Milk is both a noun and a verb, and non-dairy milk has existing in language since approx the 1200s.

    Cheese has always been a noun, only recent internet/gaming culture made it a verb.
     
  6. Kutter

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    What about cheesy peas? Best of both worlds.
     
  7. LuckyBenski

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    Are they squeezy?
     
  8. Usher

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    They will be trying to ban non dairy types of milk next, coconut milk anyone?
     
  9. peterwalkley

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    I may be stuck in the 1980's here, but vegan cheese shop in Brixton does not compute :confused:
     
  10. Orionaut

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    Coconut Milk has been called that since time immemorial.

    By contrast, Soya "Milk" (Never tried Almond) is the Devils semen and is the most revolting thing I have ever had the misfortune to put in my mouth!

    (Somebody made me some tea with it many years ago. The first sip resulted n a violent fit of vomiting all over their sitting room floor! Really! Not kidding!)

    As for Body Butter.

    The one that has always got me is "Baby Bottom Butter".

    I have this vision of "Each 50gm pot contains the distilled essence of 2 dozen Babies Bottoms. Lovely on toast!"

    :p
     
  11. dirtychinchilla

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    Why? Some people need it (I do), some people want it (only because I need it).
     
  12. JHeaton

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    This kind of thing tends to get aimed at almond, soy, cashew, oat, rice etc. milks, but coconut milk (the canned stuff, at least, not the stuff in cartons blended with rice milk) seems to get away from any such criticism. It is kind of like peanut butter - there is no butter involved, but nobody seems to complain about that name (except in the Netherlands where, ironically, it is "peanut cheese").

    Frankly I think people should be insulted by the dairy industry's claims that they would be so confused over vegan cheese not containing dairy products. How nice of them to imply that people who want to buy dairy cheese would be so stupid. :o
     
  13. Street

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    Calling it vegan cheese has to be better than calling it a "Flavour Block".
    [​IMG]
     
  14. TheMightyTen

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    Whoosh.........

    I think you probably need to read up on your history of Brixton to understand what he said

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brixton_riot


    Unless you know how Brixton is another London area that has gone through the voracious gentrification that has wholly changed other working class boroughs of the Capital and if you are of a certain age it will forever be in your head Little Jamaica that rioted in the 80s. A vegan cheese shop in the context of the 1980s Brixton is just a little out of place in this case ;)
     
  15. dirtychinchilla

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    Ah I see. Sorry, completely went over my head as you say!
     
  16. Mr Badger

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    Some great marketing ideas there. Anyone got a better name for this troublesome cheese alternative?
     
  17. Orionaut

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    Back then I joked about creating a platform/maze game called "Brixton"

    Think something like Packman.

    The idea was that you started off with a wrist watch, wallet, and a pair of trainers, and the aim of the exercise was to retain ownership of said items while negotiating the "Hood" being pursued by various enemies intent on taking them from you!

    Of course, we could update the game to the 21st century by introducing a bit of additional frisson involving avoiding getting stabbed and shot at as well!

    ;) :D
     
  18. TheMightyTen

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    :D stop being so reasonable :p :)

    Needs VR and rolled up copy of the Daily Mail as an in game defensive weapon :p
     
  19. Randomface74

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    If it doesn't come out of a cow and sit in a bucket for a month it's not cheese.

    "cheese" is a dairy term, and that's important for people who need to avoid dairy.
     
  20. Orionaut

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    :cool: