Chinese (Communist) infiltration of the UK

mrk · 14 Jan 2022 at 04:59

Crazy smooth brain people everywhere it seems

IceBear · 14 Jan 2022 at 07:33

Minusorange said:
Only from meals that contain the secret communist party MSG

I've just realised there's a cell phone mast nearby too..

I need more tinfoil

Chuk_Chuk · 14 Jan 2022 at 07:42

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59984380

To be expected but i doubt she is the only one in this country. Fair to say that we are in some form of a cold war.

jpaul · 14 Jan 2022 at 08:18

Liked that IDS tried to make it about him - suggesting maybe the Chinese (well the Israeli company Pegasus) have been monitoring his phone on help he has provided to HK residents, no humility,

times article now tick

Mr Gardiner’s vociferous lobbying on behalf of his Chinese paymasters is well known. Indeed, The Times reported five years ago that he had received payments totalling £180,000 from a firm linked to the Chinese state and employed the son of its founder in his Westminster office. At the time, Mr Gardiner was calling for more Chinese investment in Britain and was denouncing proposals to put the Hinkley Point nuclear project on ice because of security concerns over Chinese involvement. In the light of other lobbying by MPs with a financial interest in the outcome, as was the case recently with Owen Paterson, it is extraordinary that this was tolerated. Such links are not only an affront to political ethics, but an underhand way for MPs to enrich themselves at the expense of private firms or foreign governments, with the quid pro quo largely hidden from voters.

maybe we could have had lower energy prices (in 5-10 years time)

Liked the irony that Canadian athletes being given burner phones for olympics , and the medals have been smelted from paterial revovered from 80K tonnes of mobile phone waste -
they could just award new phones as a prize instead.

Tony Edwards · 14 Jan 2022 at 10:36

jpaul said:
Liked that IDS tried to make it about him - suggesting maybe the Chinese (well the Israeli company Pegasus) have been monitoring his phone on help he has provided to HK residents, no humility,

Its IDS what do you expect. He also tried to imply that it was obvious that Gardenier was paid off by china because he supported china building the power station that Cameron and Osbourne brought back. While Gardenier says he opposed it. I could check but it seems funnier not to bother.

Blackjack Davy · 14 Jan 2022 at 13:27

Chuk_Chuk said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59984380

To be expected but i doubt she is the only one in this country. Fair to say that we are in some form of a cold war.

Its quite something when MI5 or whoever states it so openly, tells you the state of UK/CCP relations.

jpaul · 14 Jan 2022 at 13:38

I don't think we know yet what triggered the public outing, Gardiner doth protest too much - like it was a honey trap,
maybe it was seen to support Olympics 'sanctions'

thenewoc · 14 Jan 2022 at 14:22

Someone has at least updated his Wikipedia page now. According to this, Christine Lee's son, Daniel Wilkes is no longer employed in Labour MP Barry Gardiner's constituency office since the MI5 announcement. Presumably if he was doing an invaluable job he got on merit the job will be openly advertised for others to now apply. If not then surely the funds being used to pay him were being wasted too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Gardiner

.Lethal · 14 Jan 2022 at 15:39

IceBear said:
There's a Chinese takeaway in the village. Should I be worried by this?

You've been invaded the whole time. Hang on, who is this?

BowdonUK · 14 Jan 2022 at 17:44

There is probably lots of this stuff going on by all kinds of countries and regimes.

When is the last time any member of the public saw an MI5 warning message? I've never seen one before.

StriderX · 14 Jan 2022 at 17:48

Plenty of other countries we allow infiltrating our institutions though without even a hint of consternation from officials whose pockets are suspiciously bulbous. China is just the big bad (a deserved moniker) that our master (the US) no longer wishes to pretend can be made into a liberal democracy anymore.

There is surely no way there is only one of these lobbyists gallivanting about, so why only acknowledge her and not the rest?

Chris Wilson · 14 Jan 2022 at 18:31

StriderX said:
Plenty of other countries we allow infiltrating our institutions though without even a hint of consternation from officials whose pockets are suspiciously bulbous. China is just the big bad (a deserved moniker) that our master (the US) no longer wishes to pretend can be made into a liberal democracy anymore.

There is surely no way there is only one of these lobbyists gallivanting about, so why only acknowledge her and not the rest?

Just possibly because in the eyes of many across the globe China is not flavour of the month, perhaps it's something to do with people's perceived origin of a virus that's killed millions? Perhaps some people in British intelligence are still highly suspicious of those from a communist regime handing out political donations in a capitalist country?

Lord-Jaffa · 14 Jan 2022 at 18:39

https://youtu.be/8fwgVUfW_O4

This guy was right all along!

The Running Man · 14 Jan 2022 at 19:01

There are also a number of religions doing exactly the same thing.

It's just less PC to call out over representation of certain religions in goverment than it is the Chinese because it appears we don't really care about offending the Chinese I the same we we do other groups.

Tony Edwards · 14 Jan 2022 at 19:03

The Running Man said:
There are also a number of religions doing exactly the same thing.

It's just less PC to call out over representation of certain religions in goverment than it is the Chinese because it appears we don't really care about offending the Chinese I the same we we do other groups.

WOW

Werewolf · 14 Jan 2022 at 19:28

I seem to remember our current foreign minister getting the sack from a previous position over her undeclared visits to a foreign government without our government's approval or knowledge.

I suppose the Chinese make a change from the Russians who seem to love Boris and co.

arknor · 14 Jan 2022 at 20:20

Chinas infiltration of the west is hardly a secret it's been news for a few years now.

seems people turn a blind eye for personal enrichment.

1664kronenbourg · 14 Jan 2022 at 21:10

Sorry, Parliament. Just becuase the USA decides another country is their enemy, it doesn't make that country Britain's enemy like Russia/China/Iraq/Iran/Syria/North Korea/Libya.. So of you think that I'm going to be very suspiicious and paranoid about the owners of Chinese take aways being spies you can think again.

AORUS · 14 Jan 2022 at 21:56

Chuk_Chuk said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59984380

To be expected but i doubt she is the only one in this country. Fair to say that we are in some form of a cold war.

Barry Gardiner Labour, who received over £420,000 and Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey also received a £5,000 donation they was happy to take the money donations without questions for five years? They should be sacked.

Yvette Cooper said: "We condemn in the strongest terms the attempts by China to interfere in Britain's democratic processes." So what has EU been doing for 42 years!

StriderX said:
China is just the big bad (a deserved moniker) that our master (the US) no longer wishes to pretend can be made into a liberal democracy anymore.

There is something wrong with our democracy, you don't read in the news about the communist party attacking a country just for oil do you like the US did!

Chris Wilson said:
perhaps it's something to do with people's perceived origin of a virus that's killed millions?

So how did China managed control of its pandemic in 3 mouths that we still can't do in two years!

alchal · 15 Jan 2022 at 06:08

Was an interesting documentary about China's shenanigans in Australia and Pacific regions, how they have massive stakes in universities there and had influenced politicians etc etc to further their cause, was pretty scary especially the one where students protesting China's wrong doings were ganged up on and beaten up by Chinese students in uni grounds and the university did nothing as it received Chinese money and didn't want to upset them.

They are definitely playing the long game.