Apart from the fact we have a religion that is subsidised by the government, and our head of state is also the head of the Church of England. That's fairly significant to me.
Christians are becoming social pariahs in Britain
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Hey I take exception to that, The J.V. show also has rather randomly selected music throughout which seems to make up more of his show each week. Pretty soon it'll be 1 hour 56mins of The Shadows, Elton John, The Script and Kylie followed by 4 mins discussing pet insurance.
Soldato
Don't forget the last few Prime Ministers...
Indeed. Idiot Charles did say at some point he would not be the Defender of the Faith, he'd be the Defender of All Faiths, which possibly means that in between wringing his hands and being stupid about the environment he might remove the monarchy from "owning" head of the CoE - I don't know that he would have to step down from being head of the CoE, just break the necessity.
Hopefully the idiot doesn't get near the crown and we get William instead, who seems to be a much more sensible chap.
I think the Monarch being head of the CoE is a pretty much ornamental thing and I don't really feel it needs to go in a secular society.
Special subsidies for the CoE or indeed any religion must stop though. They should be funded by lottery money or in the same way other recreational charities are.
Soldato
I used to assume no one in my general circle would be a christian. Been caught out a few times, so now I watch what I say as to avoid offence!
Caporegime
What support does it get from the government? I've tried looking before but never got very.
Either way, my point is that we are not a nation of practising Christians. Church funding isn't really relevant to that point.
I think part of the problem that religion is beginning to have in the UK is down to wealth, whilst preaching about how we should all be giving more to charity and not being so damn greedy they do have a lot of wealth, which oddly enough comes form the same folk who should be giving more.
I'm not saying that religion and Christians in particular don't do good work, but there's plenty misguided beliefs and rather odd ideas floating about which cost us far more than they give back, Condoms being the most obvious one. Let's tell people not to use them, but donate to and in some cases run aids charities
That sort of thinking isn't exactly a positive PR message to be putting about.
I'm not saying that religion and Christians in particular don't do good work, but there's plenty misguided beliefs and rather odd ideas floating about which cost us far more than they give back, Condoms being the most obvious one. Let's tell people not to use them, but donate to and in some cases run aids charities
That sort of thinking isn't exactly a positive PR message to be putting about.
Caporegime
You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to attempt to cause offence at all times. It's their fault if they're offended. You idiot.
Soldato
Didn't they just recently partially backtrack on the condom issue?
Man of Honour
They clarified it, but being vague in the first place was the reason why people got so riled.
No, it's not like that at all.
It's their choice to be offended, if you say something that they find offensive.
Since you're their friend if you did say something that would offend them, then it's only reasonable for them to be offended - I would hope they place at least some worth in what you say.
As a result it's only polite of you to consider their feelings, and do as you are doing now, take care not to offend them by accident, and apologise if you do. You know that though.
Soldato
Isn't the penalty for leaving Islam death?
Not forgetting the Bishops in the House of Lords....
Fair point, it depends on what you'd call a Christian country. Whether you judge that on what percentage of the population practices, or whether any specific religion is codified into law would count.
As for the support the Church of England gets, it receives building grants as part of a wider scheme but more importantly, it receives huge tax relief in comparison with other organisations and charities.
Yep, fair point. And the point above about Tony and Gordon, however I'm unsure about their predecessors.
Soldato
That's one heck of a penalty, I'd rather have a £60 fine and three points on my licence.
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I'm not opposed to that to be honest, even though I get accused of being radial anti-religious on here.
I'm very worried that the House of Lords is somehow changed to "represent the people more" and it's forgotten that it is supposed to be a check and balance.
Religious leaders are part of the type of people who should be there. I'd far rather have them there than party political peers.
Aims?
Depends on how you quantify 'practising' Christian also. However you cook the figures we are a predominantly culturally Christian country.
I agree totally. I like the House of Lords, not having to pander to anyone allows them a certain latitude I think.