Chrome finishes 2010 with 10 percent share

Khaaan! said:
I don't know of a user that hasn't found at least a couple of extensions that improve their web surfing experience on firefox.
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It still doesn't make a browser. A browser is for browsing webpages, and it needs to do the fundamentals correctly first.

As for the actual extensions, i've found that IEPro covers all the bases I need. In fact I could do simply with a good adblock, of which there are plenty about for IE.
 
If it's covering fundamentals then all the major browsers have been doing this without issue for ages now.

My point is that FF and Chrome can be as good as you want it to be but if you're the type with an IE mindset only then the former will always be seen as not as good compared to someone with a more open mind.
 
Khaaan! said:
If it's covering fundamentals then all the major browsers have been doing this without issue for ages now.
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Well judging from benchmarks now it's about standards compliance and speed. From looking over the past few months, FF certainly isn't as quick compared to IE as it has been.

My point is that FF and Chrome can be as good as you want it to be but if you're the type with an IE mindset only then the former will always be seen as not as good compared to someone with a more open mind.
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Likewise if you belong to the "I hate Microsoft" group then you're not going to support IE are you? ;)
 
I'll happily move to Chrome when I don't see it breaking PCs at work and causing problems even when you go to uninstall the damn thing. It still needs some improving before it gets near one of my home PCs.
 
Tute said:
Likewise if you belong to the "I hate Microsoft" group then you're not going to support IE are you? ;)
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I don't hate Microsoft, where have you pulled that from? I'm a Windows systems admin and I buy my MS software or get it at discount through work.

You said IE was more than a match for Chrome/FF. That statement is incorrect, if it was more than a match it would have an equal number of flexibility and improvement options via extensions and customisations. It may get there in the future but it isn't there now.

Therefore, IE is not more than a match at present.
 
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I didn't say you hate Microsoft - where have you pulled that from?

Khaaan! said:
You said IE was more than a match for Chrome/FF. That statement is incorrect, if it was more than a match it would have an equal number of flexibility and improvement options.

Therefore, because it does not, IE is not more than a match.
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You said this above and it's still not relevant. Extensions do NOT make the browser. Would you be happy with a sluggish, slow browser as long as it had extensions? Because I think you'd be alone if you did. :)
 
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You were insinuating that I belong in that group with the way you worded your sentence. Or at least it certainly looked that way!

Let's erase extensions altogether, put all 4 browsers side by side. IE 9, Chrome, Opera, Firefox. Bare essentials only. All 4 browsers do the same job perfectly fine and speedily too.
Neither is "more than a match" compared to the others.

Extensions change how a browser behaves and improves more than just productivity, they also improve security and privacy as well.
 
Tute said:
You said this above and it's still not relevant. Extensions do NOT make the browser.
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That argument relies on the premise that FF and Chrome are slow. Which is false.

You cannot claim IE is more than a match for an equally fast and yet more flexible product. It just doesn't make sense.
 
Khaaan! said:
You were insinuating that I belong in that group with the way you worded your sentence. Or at least it certainly looked that way!
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Only you know if you belong in that group. I'm not about to start labelling people.

Let's erase extensions altogether, put all 4 browsers side by side. IE 9, Chrome, Opera, Firefox. Bare essentials only. All 4 browsers do the same job perfectly fine and speedily too.
Neither is "more than a match" compared to the others.
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Some are more speedy than others, this has been proven time and time again. Unlike extensions, which many people can give-or-take, browser speed is universally accepted as a measure of how good one browser behaves against another.

And IE9 is certainly doing something right.

Extensions change how a browser behaves and improves more than just productivity, they also improve security and privacy as well.
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Not really, a better coded browsers is preferable in the first place.

gord said:
That argument relies on the premise that FF and Chrome are slow. Which is false.

You cannot claim IE is more than a match for an equally fast and yet more flexible product. It just doesn't make sense.
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See above. Although I fear i've stirred a hornet's nest now.
 
Khaaan! said:
Let's erase extensions altogether, put all 4 browsers side by side. IE 9, Chrome, Opera, Firefox. Bare essentials only. All 4 browsers do the same job perfectly fine and speedily too.
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Except in this case IE9 is quicker, breaks less websites, uses less screen estate and has greater compatibility with HTML5 than the others, all of which are core browser requirements.

Khaaan! said:
Extensions change how a browser behaves and improves more than just productivity, they also improve security and privacy as well.
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Not necessarily, in fact they can contribute to lesser security, instability, bloat and a general decrease in browser performance.

Each browser has it's strengths and weaknesses, however with IE9 the days of people claiming IE is slow, bloated, insecure and non supporting of standards have long gone.

I use a mix of IE9, Chrome 8 and Opera11 depending on my mood but I have to say for an all round fast browser with minimal problems the combination of IE9 and Admuncher is hard to beat(I find admuncher does a much better job for me blocking ads that Adblock).
 
Hmm, on reflection I think that "more than a match" was a little bit strong. I certainly think that IE9b is as good as FF4b though, and i'm 100% standing by that one. :)
 
Good point actually, I used Iron a lot a while back, not sure why I changed to Chrome, newer versions at the time maybe...
 
Yes IE9 BETA is impressive and it will be interesting to see it with a full feature-set in final RC/Release.

I've never seen ads using Adblock Plus in Chrome and FF, even Youtube embedded ads in videos are taken care of.

There are bloaty extensions yes but there are also ones that don't slow the browser down either. Users just need to do some research before deciding on one should they wish to do so.

As for screen real estate, all of the browsers mentioned use very little screen space (FF4, Chrome, IE9). There are differences but nothing that gives you several more lines of viewable text on a site.

Unless you start adding toolbars....
 
the performance argument always makes me laugh. nevermind people's dodgy connections or the sometimes overloaded websites we access. the browser is SO important. :rolleyes:

as for security? meh. people without a clue are still going to download and install rubbish regardless of what browser they use. ok having a "secure" browser may reduce the risk of being compromised from simply visiting a dodgy page but it's not something i'm going to concern myself with.

Tute said:
Extensions do not make a browser.
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for you, obviously not. but for me, this is where it's at. extensions are the most important thing to me. it's a little something called personal preference. i think i'm still allowed to have one.
 
Khaaan! said:
Extensions change how a browser behaves and improves more than just productivity, they also improve security and privacy as well.
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Extensions just add more bloatware and in most cases functionality that is missing from the base browser. Their addition will more often than not decrease the performance of a browser. You have to then question why it wasn’t included in the first place.

I wouldn’t band around the word productivity because all we are talking about is user experience. For the vast majority of users a browser is just that, an experience to surf the web and not a tool that is part of a productive process and so there is no productivity to be measured. In many circumstances one could say that the browser experience decreases productivity because the employees are surfing instead of working but that is another debate.
 
I'll start using it when it encrypts user data by default. I don't want to use an extension like LastPass.
 
simulatorman said:
Extensions just add more bloatware and in most cases functionality that is missing from the base browser. Their addition will more often than not decrease the performance of a browser. You have to then question why it wasn’t included in the first place.
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I wouldn't mix business use with non business use when comparing browsers. Many businesses are still on XP and old versions of IE for example.

Anyway, as I said above, extensions only add bloat and slow stuff down if the user is careless and installs whatever they find. There are valuable extensions out there that protect privacy and keep your browsing experience a safe one and all without slowing anything down or adding bloat.

If they were as bloaty as some of you are suggesting then there would be an established uproar regarding this because when people dislike something they make it known more vocally than when they like something. I see no such thing other than some individuals dislikes on some forums.
 
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