Civic EP3 Type R - Differences on 30th anni ?

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I have been looking into Civic Type R's and noticed that there is two versions...

Standard Type R EP3 (with facelift in 2003?) 0-60 = 6.4s

30th Anniversary Type R EP3 0-60 = 6.6s

Now why is it slower?

The only difference is lumbar support (whatever that may be? safety feature?), but is there any other benefits of owning a 30th anni model over "standard" model.

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Most places quote the same (slower) time for both cars.

The Ani has different seats as well, and holds it's value better.

Lumbar support adjusts the shape of the back to allow you to get back support in the right place.
 
from memory, the 30th ani edition was pre facelift, and therefore had a different flywheel so it was 0.2 of a sec slower to 60.

EP3 type r had a facelift in 2003 and 0-60 was reduced to 6.4 secs due to lighter flywheel. Pre facelift normal EP3 is still 0-60 in 6.6 sec

Also have the proper recaro's in the 30th ani edition, and the rear tinted windows as standard
 
Would you notice 0.2 difference?
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Not really no. (Owned facelift, driven prefacelift extensively)

All you notice is a heavier steering "feel" on the facelift and a slightly more compliant ride.

The lighter fly-wheel on the facelift does mean you might notice a faster/freer revving car, i.e revs seem to go up & drop-off quicker. Can't say I ever did though :)
 
Brando said:
Would you notice 0.2 difference?
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No. That isn't necessarily the only difference - lightened flywheel can mean numerous changes to the acceleration characteristics of a car (also a very light flywheel can mean the car is easy to stall). Not sure in this case if the lightened flywheel was really noticeable though.
 
hmmm, stalling doesn't sound great!

I was thinking, I like the facelift model....would it be possible to get a anni model (with tints and seats) and fit a facelift bumper? Then you have the benefit of the sturdy flywheel (less prone to stalling), slightly slower, but the better looks?
 
Booner! said:
hmmm, stalling doesn't sound great!

I was thinking, I like the facelift model....would it be possible to get a anni model (with tints and seats) and fit a facelift bumper? Then you have the benefit of the sturdy flywheel (less prone to stalling), slightly slower, but the better looks?
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Just to add - I've never heard of civics stalling (the flywheel isn't that light afaik!), but it can be an issue on certain high performance cars.
 
The bumper is a straight swap so I've been told... I looked into getting a CTR two years ago but changed my mind and went with something bigger ;)
 
They only ever made 100 colours of the 30th Anniversary model, they included recaros, red mats, tinted windows and air con! Much more exclusive i think, but during the facelift models they released a similar deal but renamed it Premier model. Dont think there was an allocated number on these thou!
 
Lighter flywheels are only on facelift, not 30th Anniversay. The 30th Anniversay is in the pre-facelift guise with full red Recaro seats and red carpets etc.

The Facelift (2004 onwards) has different lights and bumper externally and the lighter flywheel and other little changes like sound proofing and red seatand soor cars inserts etc. There is also a final edition of the facelift like the 30th anni with red carpets and nicer Recaros again.

Performance wise, all the standard EP3s are more or less the same. Driven alongside 20 other CTRs in different guises and tuning and in the real world there isn't that much advantage. Amongst the standard cars nothing really aids driving style or performance.
 
jamief said:
No. That isn't necessarily the only difference - lightened flywheel can mean numerous changes to the acceleration characteristics of a car (also a very light flywheel can mean the car is easy to stall). Not sure in this case if the lightened flywheel was really noticeable though.
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I've got a lightened fly wheel on my mx5, just because it stores less kinetic energy doesn't mean it is any more likely to stall. It just requires more effort to keep it smooth and can idle a little funny for a fraction of a second. I wouldn't be without it and it comes into it's own on track.

I was more referring to the the fact the car is slower to 60 by 0.2 of a second on some paper statistic. I doubt anyone would notice 0.2 of a second to 60 on normal road or light track usage.
 
the lightened flywheel in the facelift wont make it easier to stall, its only REALLY lightened flywheels that do it. I have an 8lb flywheel in the ATR, the stock is 22lb and its still not light enough that its prone to stalling (and Im not a noob).
Sooooo much more free revving though, so definatly a good thing to have. Still, I'd take 0.2s hit just for some decent recaros!
 
Thanks guys, all useful info ! :)

Would the flywheel be something that I can mod afterwards?

Is there any decent mods that would benefit the car? Induction, exhaust systems? or are the type R stock parts pretty decent?

What things are there to look out for? I heard the gearbox and engine are both solid...but I guess it's a car built for ragging around....

Also, I have a nice metallic black paint which in the summer is amazing once cleaned and I like the look of the Nighthawk black, but am really tempted to get the red - is this likely to fade?
 
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Booner! said:
Thanks guys, all useful info ! :)

Would the flywheel be something that I can mod afterwards?

Is there any decent mods that would benefit the car? Induction, exhaust systems? or are the type R stock parts pretty decent?

What things are there to look out for? I heard the gearbox and engine are both solid...but I guess it's a car built for ragging around....

Also, I have a nice metallic black paint which in the summer is amazing once cleaned and I like the look of the Nighthawk black, but am really tempted to get the red - is this likely to fade?
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Yeah... you can redline these cars as much as you want :D

As for mods... The only mods worth doing are probably induction kit... you could do exhaust if you want a meaty sound... but the induction kit will give you a bit more performance and a better sound for not much cost.
 
Loowi_ashley said:
Change of subject but what sort of MPG do these cars realistically do?
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Very dependant on how much VTECing you do.

On my normal crawl to work and reasonablly free drive back I see 29 MPG but may only VTEC once or twice. This drops to around 26 MPG if you are giving it some stick. On a motorway run I see 32 MPG.

Best i've ever had was 36 MPG but that was driving like a granny hoping not to run out of fuel :D
 
Exhaust, not really worth it, vaguely remember supercharged EP3's didnt really benefit much from replacement exhausts, had to go past 300bhp or something...

Hondata (K-Pro) & Good induction is the way to go. Everything else, law of diminishing returns...
 
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