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Civil Service Pensions

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Burnsy2023, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. Burnsy2023

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    God I'm so confused right now. I have the following questions to answer:

    1. Have you ever been a member of the Civil Service pension agreements?

    2. If not, are you currently a member of a pension scheme "by-analogy" to the civil service?

    I have no idea of the answer to that, but Thames Valley Police contract their pensions out to Buckinghamshire County Council but that's pretty much all I know. Can anyone help me answer these before I have to make a load of calls and get passed to everyone at Bucks CC to find out?

    This might help:

    http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/media/133358/starter_booklet.pdf
    http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/media/133272/LGPS_Your_Pension.pdf
     
  2. robfosters

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    Yes, police pensions are civil service pensions.
     
  3. Burnsy2023

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    I need to make this clear. It's a Thames Valley Police Staff pension not a police officer pension.
     
  4. robfosters

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    Burnsy, i'm, pretty sure it is. You can double check, but the fact is you are employed by the crown.

    Crown employees are all entitled to a civil service pension.

    I know I have the same pension as a friend who was no more than an errand boy at Scotland Yard. I was in the FCO.
     
  5. Burnsy2023

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    Cool, thanks.

    Now I need to find out which of the following it is:

    Classic
    Premium
    Classic Plus
    Nuvos
    Partnership

    :(
     
  6. Dis86

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    I know someone with an MSc who might be able to answer that! :p
     
  7. aayzof

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    I joined the Civil Service in 2009 and I'm in Nuvos, if that helps.
     
  8. MrMoonX

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    this is wrong!

    police are part of the local government pension scheme, the civil service pension scheme is different.
     
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  9. MrMoonX

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    ouch nuvos is the worse deal ever, classic is the gold plated one, I was on premium for 10 years before I left
     
  10. aayzof

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    I wouldn't agree that Nuvos is the worst deal ever. It's not as good as Classic or Premium, but it's still an excellent deal when compared to what else is on offer at the moment, particularly in the private sector.
     
  11. MrMoonX

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    again wrong police are not directly employed by the crown, as prison officers, security services etc. are, police are not the same as central government departments, they are funded by local government and police authorities. The pension arrangements are done by each police authority and often by the local government pension scheme
     
  12. Burnsy2023

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    So what would you say the answers to the questions are?
     
  13. semi-pro waster

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    If you joined in the past 5 years or so and it does count as a civil service pension it's almost certainly Nuvos, you should still have paperwork and/or it may say on your annual pension statement but in the absence of further information I'd guess Nuvos.
     
  14. Burnsy2023

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    I was hoping you'd see this thread. Thanks mate ;)
     
  15. Redz

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    Most likely. Check your contract burnsy the details should be on there.
     
  16. plasmahal

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    The links you posted are for the LGPS schemes.

    My wife is on LGPS as a teaching assistant, she is not a civil servant nor does she work for the crown.

    LPGS and civil service pensions are totally different.

    Do you work for one of the following:

    http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/pensions/helplines/contacts
     
  17. clv101

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    I was looking into this recently and nuvos didn't seem very interesting. I was comparing something like 2.3% contribution +RPI 'til retirement with the partnership pension which was something like 10% +the market 'til retirement.

    Why would someone choose nuvos over partnership?
     
  18. Biohazard

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  19. plasmahal

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  20. Biohazard

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    It won't be Civil Service I would imagine, only small specialist police forces are nationally funded/controlled such as the nuclear protection force etc?

    Police generally speaking are local government. Support staff aren't civil servants. Public servants.
     


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