• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

Con Lake Con firmed [Warning: AdoredTV]

I am a big fan of adored tv and as soon as I saw this video title I was asking myself, why didn't he use question marks in the title.

It would have made a big difference. Without them he is confirming that it's a con. He has gone a bit far in this one imo.

Still a big fan though.
 
I read that as an explanation of the Turbo Boost 2.0 clocks (which have been opportunistic for a while, not just with 8th gen - TB2.0 has been around since 2nd gen Core, though I don't know if the mechanism has changed over the generations) and not the reasoning for changing stance on all-core boost data being proprietary.
Yes they have, and previously you wouldn't get the maximum all core clock in a lot of workloads because it is... opportunistic. You don't see how publishing a supposed maximum all core clock which you wouldn't reach in most demanding multithreaded applications could be more misleading?
That being said, I do agree that for transparency sake they could at least pick a few workloads and give you standard turbo clock ratings for them when using the standard Intel cooler. Ex: Cinebench all core 4Ghz / GTA V all core 4.2Ghz, etc..


Not according to Intel:
"Intel® Turbo Boost Technology 2.0 allows the processor to operate at a power level that is higher than its TDP configuration and data sheet specified power for short durations to maximize performance"
but actually not that many people really know that.
How does that disprove what I'm saying, maybe semantics? Power and TDP are linked, but Power can exceed TDP for short periods of time.
Something that a lot of people don't know which is very relevant to the video above is that Intel uses a dynamic thermal capacitance model, so heatsink quality will influence energy budget. An i7 8700 on a Noctua U12S will on average perform slightly better than an i7 8700 on a £5 heatsink. This is the reason I wish Adored actually stopped pumping out clickbait and used his reach to talk about EIST, Turbo Boost, XFR and even how Intel/AMD get their TDP ratings, since those can influence performance.



According to Intel's published specs the 8700 isn't gimped, it's just running at around spec 65W TDP (a very short boost at PL2, then back to PL1@TDP). The cooling isn't poor - it's exactly the spec that Intel gives (65W): "The processor TDP is the maximum sustained power that should be used for design of the processor thermal solution" (from the 8th gen datasheet). The video suggests that when 8700 "stock" scores are given in the press, they are from operating well above 65W TDP or else they wouldn't be showing CB scores significantly higher than 1210.

But as I said previously, motherboard makers have a lot of leeway firmware wise when it comes to enforcing TDP limits. It could also be that the heatsink used in the Aldi pre-built was pretty poor (which based on the computerbase.de temp readings it was barely coping with that i7 8700).
That suggestion is pretty fud though, like I said, he could explain how Turbo works and how Intel gets its TDP ratings, but he chose the clickbait life.
 
It's a garbage youtuber with clickbait content designed to bait and incite response. Why even bother?

I'm going to enjoy my 8700k regardless of power limited or boost specs because I bought it to overclock.
 
For me the solution is fairly obvious.

All CPUs should have the option of being bought with a manufacturer spec heat sink. This should be benchmarked as the default for direct comparison.
 
publishing a supposed maximum all core clock which you wouldn't reach in most demanding multithreaded applications could be more misleading

Of course that would be misleading, but there's nothing to stop them from as you say qualifying the load types (which they already do). Even if they publishing data on one specified load type, that's a whole lot better than the current situation of no data of any load type.

How does that disprove what I'm saying

Did you not say "technically the 8700 should never exceed TDP"? Never means not ever. No exceptions.
 
For me the solution is fairly obvious.

All CPUs should have the option of being bought with a manufacturer spec heat sink. This should be benchmarked as the default for direct comparison.

The 8700K wouldn't get past about 3.8Ghz on a stock Intel cooler, if it'll even get that high after a proper warmup, that wouldn't look good on performance charts. which is the whole point, it makes reviewers use their own and they almost universally use enthusiast grade cooling.
 
For me the solution is fairly obvious.

All CPUs should have the option of being bought with a manufacturer spec heat sink. This should be benchmarked as the default for direct comparison.

I was thinking that it would be better for benchmark charts to not only show the scores that they current generate, but show alongside (whether in the same bars or adjacent) base scores at TDP. This would show the potential benefits of investing in a decent build, rather than just getting the bare minimum or retail PC build.
 
The 8700K wouldn't get past about 3.8Ghz on a stock Intel cooler, if it'll even get that high after a proper warmup, that wouldn't look good on performance charts. which is the whole point, it makes reviewers use their own and they almost universally use enthusiast grade cooling.

Doesnt the 8700 non K come with a cooler and gets past 3.8?. Ofc i wouldnt expect the stock intel to be quiet at all.
 
Doesnt the 8700 non K come with a cooler and gets past 3.8?. Ofc i wouldnt expect the stock intel to be quiet at all.

Of course it does, he is just spreading nonsense. I got the full boost on my non k 8700 (ie 4.6 single and 4.3 all core) with the stock cooler. It was noisy and fairly warm though, naturally.

Bought a £20 aftermarket air cooler and now it doesn't go above 60 at full load and idles in the low 20's.
 
The 8700K wouldn't get past about 3.8Ghz on a stock Intel cooler, if it'll even get that high after a proper warmup, that wouldn't look good on performance charts. which is the whole point, it makes reviewers use their own and they almost universally use enthusiast grade cooling.
Meanwhile the 1800x's cooler is fine for the job......
Come on man now you are just spreading fud.
 
The 1800X cooler is 2x as good and the CPU is more power efficient.

1800x doesn't even come with a cooler.
"it makes reviewers use their own and they almost universally use enthusiast grade cooling"

I thought you'd have known this being the forums biggest AMD fan.
 
Just for reference, my 8700 (NON K) with a ~£20 cooler gets this in cinebench, and this is on a pretty inexpensive board (Gigabyte gaming K3) with zero tweaking apart from applying xmp for the ram. It is even just on the balanced windows performance plan.

cinebench_2.jpg
 
Just for reference, my 8700 (NON K) with a ~£20 cooler gets this in cinebench, and this is on a pretty inexpensive board (Gigabyte gaming K3)

cinebench.jpg

Outside today on your roof with a 20" fan blowing into an open case :D
 
Back
Top Bottom