Con Lake Con firmed [Warning: AdoredTV]

[Jono8]

The issue is both as Intel use reviewers* for advertisement.

But where is the con though!?

If you read a review of the awful oem crap that is pre-built then it will show the cpu with a lower score. If you read a review of just the 8700( for example) in a custom build with good components and no tdp limiting, it will get the max score it can get. The problem is a lack of understanding how the components work (and this could apply to any product that uses "boost" clocks).

 

[jigger]

But none of it is a con, which is the title of this thread and the video. How it works is quite clearly documented by Intel. If it stays strictly within the TDP then it will run at the base clock. If you therefore want a product that is able to operate the cpu above the tdp, then you should research your purchase and make sure it does/has the components to do so.

Maybe what the video. If you think one thing will offer X level of performance and you find it offers something else is that not a con?

I do research hence why I bought AMD.

 

[humbug]

But none of it is a con, which is the title of this thread and the video. How it works is quite clearly documented by Intel. If it stays strictly within the TDP then it will run at the base clock. If you therefore want a product that is able to operate the cpu above the tdp, then you should research your purchase and make sure it does/has the components to do so.

You also have not watched the video properly, his intent is aimed more at 'some' reviewers than it is Intel, Intel are simply falling into a category of realising that reviewers tend to use enthusiast grade components to review their CPU with, Intel are simply adding a feature that results in higher out of the box performance than would result when using components that are not such high end.

Adored also laid this charge at AMD for XFR but none here acknowledges that because he wasn't kind to Intel, so he's an AMD shill

 

[Jono8]

You also have not watched the video properly, his intent is aimed more at 'some' reviewers than it is Intel, Intel are simply falling into a category of realising that reviewers tend to use enthusiast grade components to review their CPU with, Intel are simply adding a feature that results in higher out of the box performance than would result when using components that are not such high end.

Adored also laid this charge at AMD for XFR but none here acknowledges that because he wasn't kind to Intel, so he's an AMD shill

Why is the video entitled "con lake" with a big picture of an i7 as the placeholder then? It has nothing to do with coffee lake (or at least is not exclusive to it). The video should be entitled "why we must be careful about boost clocks when reading reviews" as that is the only problem i see with all this.

 

[jigger]

I can't understand peoples objection to someone shedding light on what's going on. This will only do good and Intel might take note.

 

[gavinh87]

You also have not watched the video properly, his intent is aimed more at 'some' reviewers than it is Intel, Intel are simply falling into a category of realising that reviewers tend to use enthusiast grade components to review their CPU with, Intel are simply adding a feature that results in higher out of the box performance than would result when using components that are not such high end.

Adored also laid this charge at AMD for XFR but none here acknowledges that because he wasn't kind to Intel, so he's an AMD shill

So where is the ryzen con video then? Defend him all you like, he is a charlatan.

 

[jigger]

Why is the video entitled "con lake" with a big picture of an i7 as the placeholder then? It has nothing to do with coffee lake (or at least is not exclusive to it). The video should be entitled "why we must be careful about boost clocks when reading reviews" as that is the only problem i see with all this.

Make one then?

 

[humbug]

Why is the video entitled "con lake" with a big picture of an i7 as the placeholder then? It has nothing to do with coffee lake (or at least is not exclusive to it). The video should be entitled "why we must be careful about boost clocks when reading reviews" as that is the only problem i see with all this.

Because Intel advertise the CPU as 95 Watts with an all core frequency of 3.7Ghz, when in fact Intel have set them up so that when under the conditions they are reviewed in they actually running at anything upto 4.7Ghz at unknown TDP's much higher than advertised.

Its not all that different to what VW did with the emissions tests.

 

[jigger]

So where is the ryzen con video then? Defend him all you like, he is a charlatan.

Maybe watch the video?

 

[kitfit1]

Why is the video entitled "con lake" with a big picture of an i7 as the placeholder then? It has nothing to do with coffee lake (or at least is not exclusive to it). The video should be entitled "why we must be careful about boost clocks when reading reviews" as that is the only problem i see with all this.

I thought the same thing when i watched the video. Shock horror, pair a cpu with a crap mobo even crapier ram and give it the bare minimum of cooling...................there is only ever going to be one outcome.

 

[Jono8]

Make one then?

I don't care too as i have educated myself and know how the whole boost clock thing works!

My 8700 and the 8400 machine i built for my nephew work exactly as expected and advertised (minus perhaps the security flaw!)

 

[muon]

I don't care too as i have educated myself and know how the whole boost clock thing works!

My 8700 and the 8400 machine i built for my nephew work exactly as expected and advertised (minus perhaps the security flaw!)

Try testing the 8700 under a sustained load for a long period of time. See if you get the same effect after a while. Monitor the clock speed. I'd be interested in knowing if it drops in a custom build.

 

[humbug]

I don't care too as i have educated myself and know how the whole boost clock thing works!

My 8700 and the 8400 machine i built for my nephew work exactly as expected and advertised (minus perhaps the security flaw!)

You really need to watch the video because clearly you don't understand it which means you may have watched it but didn't take it in.

watch it again, properly .

 

[ltron]

But where is the con though!?

If you read a review of the awful oem crap that is pre-built then it will show the cpu with a lower score. If you read a review of just the 8700( for example) in a custom build with good components and no tdp limiting, it will get the max score it can get. The problem is a lack of understanding how the components work (and this could apply to any product that uses "boost" clocks).

How do you explain Guru3d and others getting 12xx in Cinebench and gamersnexus, jayztwocents and hardware canucks all getting 15xx all on supposedly stock CPUs then? Guru3d certainly weren't using OEM crap.

 

[Jono8]

You really need to watch the video because clearly you don't understand it which means you may have watched it but didn't take it in.

watch it again, properly .

i have and understood it just fine. There is zero evidence supplied to show that Intel has "conned" anyone.

 

[Spyhop]

ALDI prebuilts and no-name components are a different universe to what most people on here have any interest in

 

[AndreiD]

Gotta be outraged at something, outrage gets clicks.

 

[humbug]

How do you explain Guru3d and others getting 12xx in Cinebench and gamersnexus, jayztwocents and hardware canucks all getting 15xx all on supposedly stock CPUs then? Guru3d certainly weren't using OEM crap.

He can't in a way that's acceptable to him or fits his narrative, so he just goes on a rant about how the messenger is anti Intel.

 

[jigger]

ALDI prebuilts and no-name components are a different universe to what most people on here have any interest in

I have a half height system with limited cooling capacity and pretty basic components. Not everyone buys £200 motherboards and a £100 HSF.

 

[AmateurExpert]

There aren't loads of threads on forums like Ocuk with people moaning about multi core boost on chips like the 8700 because it just isn't a problem

True for the enthusiast community which these forums cater to. This isn't evidence though that non-enthusiasts are not getting short-changed.

How it works is quite clearly documented by Intel

Fine for the keen and knowledgeable system builder, but it forms no part of the research process for the average retail PC buyer.

I don't care too as i have educated myself

It seems from this and other comments that you don't accept that there is a problem because you're unaffected. The cognitive dissonance must be deafening!