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Con Lake Con firmed [Warning: AdoredTV]

True for the enthusiast community which these forums cater to. This isn't evidence though that non-enthusiasts are not getting short-changed.

If they are buying medion PC's or a HP 'gaming' PC they are getting exactly what they deserve

Its like any performance part if you put it in a mediocre system you can't expect the headline performance the reviews show
 
He can't in a way that's acceptable to him or fits his narrative, so he just goes on a rant about how the messenger is anti Intel.

I'm sorry? When have i said he is anti-Intel? :confused: I don;t even know the guy and I don't think I have ever watched one of his videos before .

Also, no narrative, just common sense.
 
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True for the enthusiast community which these forums cater to. This isn't evidence though that non-enthusiasts are not getting short-changed.



Fine for the keen and knowledgeable system builder, but it forms no part of the research process for the average retail PC buyer.



It seems from this and other comments that you don't accept that there is a problem because you're unaffected. The cognitive dissonance must be deafening!

Again though, this is a review/buyer research issue, not anything Intel is lying about.

What problem am i supposed to accept? There is no problem as far as i can see. The cpu's work as described.

Let's start again. What is that you take issue with, in terms of how the coffee lake range is described by Intel?
 
Again though, this is a review/buyer research issue, not anything Intel is lying about.

What problem am i supposed to accept? There is no problem as far as i can see. The cpu's work as described.

Let's start again. What is that you take issue with, in terms of how the coffee lake range is described by Intel?

The variable performance and optimistic frequency ranges based on load a binning quality.
 
You don't know what performance you get. 2.8Ghz on the 8400 is all that Intel garrentee.

So, again, where is the con? Turbo boost clocks have always been based on combinations of tdp/cooling/asic(silicon quality) etc. Nowhere does Intel state that you will definitely get the "up to" clock, all of the time or regardless of what other components and settings you use.
 
So, again, where is the con? Turbo boost clocks have always been based on combinations of tdp/cooling/asic(silicon quality) etc. Nowhere does Intel state that you will definitely get the "up to" clock, all of the time or regardless of what other components and settings you use.

Maybe watch the video.
 
So that is good. No one can explain what the actual "con" is.

If one was to say that boost clocks and operating frequencies can be confusing to the layman then i would agree. One needs to do some research to understand exactly what they are buying and what to expect. However, at no point has Intel claimed their boost clocks are in anyway garaunteed and if anyone spent five minutes reading their site on how their boost clocks work, there would be no confusion.
 
So that is good. No one can explain what the actual "con" is.

If one was to say that boost clocks and operating frequencies can be confusing to the layman then i would agree. One needs to do some research to understand exactly what they are buying and what to expect. However, at no point has Intel claimed their boost clocks are in anyway garaunteed and if anyone spent five minutes reading their site on how their boost clocks work, there would be no confusion.

The con is performance is opertunistic and Intel are sending out binned chips....
 
There is zero proof that they sent out binned chips.

Depends what you count as proof. 100% confirmed by Intel's M&A?

It's a bit early to tell as coffelake productuon isnt very good, but the probability the is very high.

Intel's own description of the performance is opertunistic based off binning quality.
 
Depends what you count as proof. 100% confirmed by Intel's M&A?

It's a bit early to tell as coffelake productuon isnt very good, but the probability the is very high.

Ryzen reviewers were getting higher overclocks than retail aswell, tinfoil hats at the ready.
 
Depends what you count as proof. 100% confirmed by Intel's M&A?

It's a bit early to tell as coffelake productuon isnt very good, but the probability the is very high.

What basis do you have to say that Intel sent reviewers binned coffee-lake chips? if we are going by the logic displayed in that video, I and everyone else on this forum who owns a 8400 or 8700 must have got special Intel binned chips as well....
 
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