Congestion charge to rise to £25!

HEADRAT · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:26

Nickg said:
because they are rich, and the others are poor? i thought this nation was trying to close the gap between the two, not maintain, or increase it?

But the rich tend to be so because they have good jobs and work hard and have prized and valuable skills, the poor tend to be low skilled so low paid.

Why should we want to close the gap, if you are low skilled/educated/motivated etc. why should you expect to have all the good things in life.

HEADRAT

Dj_Jestar · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:27

HEADRAT said:
To be honest all these "green" crap is getting my goat, without China, India and the U.S. joining in some kind of Kyoto accord it's just nonsense.

It just becoming another way to "TAX" those who work, to be honest I don't know why we bother

We have to give 40% of our salary away anyway, with VAT thats close to 60%, at what point will the pip squeek they seem to be trying there best to find out.

HEADRAT

Just because "they" aren't doing it is not justification to ignore it ourselves.

£25 CC is a farcical ripoff. Stealth tax at best.

HEADRAT · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:30

Dj_Jestar said:
Just because "they" aren't doing it is not justification to ignore it ourselves.

But it will have 0 impact and will do nothing to "save the planet", it just a way of raising more TAX!

HEADRAT

D4VE · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:31

HEADRAT said:
Yeah they just get given their money, they don't earn it for long hours work, stress, responsibility etc

Fancy wanting to work hard and have nice things

HEADRAT

And people who dont earn lots dont work hard?
I work very hard for a modest salary yet constantly get targetted by tax etc.

The gap between rich and poor is growing, soon we'll end up like America and I dont think thats a nice way to be.

Oh and just for you :rolleyes:

PhilthyPhil · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:33

HEADRAT said:
We have to give 40% of our salary away anyway, with VAT thats close to 60%, at what point will the pip squeek they seem to be trying there best to find out.

HEADRAT

To be paying 40% of your salary in income tax you would need to be earning in excess of £1m, so this is hardly something which affects the majority of the population. Most people’s tax burden is substantially less than the 60% you claim to be paying.

D4VE · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:33

Nickg said:
because they are rich, and the others are poor? i thought this nation was trying to close the gap between the two, not maintain, or increase it?

Well so far they've been increasing it, thats why I welcome this extra charge.

Ex-RoNiN · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:33

If they wanna help the environment, close central london to traffic, turn it into a big pedestrian presinct and add some trams to replace the busses - sorted.

Caged · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:35

Why don't they base it on the highest polluting vehicles then, rather than Ken's deep hatred of 4x4s.

D4VE · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:37

It is, band G.

Some vehicles in that band wont be 4x4s.

Mr Nice · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:38

PhilthyPhil said:
To be paying 40% of your salary in income tax you would need to be earning in excess of £1m, so this is hardly something which affects the majority of the population. Most people’s tax burden is substantially less than the 60% you claim to be paying.

40% income tax on £1M?

Are you sure? I'm nearly at the bracket and earning no where near £1M?

The Running Man · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:38

HEADRAT said:
But the rich tend to be so because they have good jobs and work hard and have prized and valuable skills, the poor tend to be low skilled so low paid.

HEADRAT

i think the rich tend to be rich because they inherited wealth. the minority accrue it during their own lifetime.

the rich can also pay, and being rich does not necessitate driving a 4x4 round london center...

Mr Nice · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:39

Caged said:
Why don't they base it on the highest polluting vehicles then, rather than Ken's deep hatred of 4x4s.

Because that's common sense. Common sense is a scare commodity at Millbank.

Would expect anything less from a man that, during the water shortage in the South East, did not flush his toilet?

D4VE · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:41

Mr Nice said:
40% income tax on £1M?

Are you sure? I'm nearly at the bracket and earning no where near £1M?

I thought the upper tax bracket was around 30k?

Ex-RoNiN · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:43

PhilthyPhil said:
To be paying 40% of your salary in income tax you would need to be earning in excess of £1m, so this is hardly something which affects the majority of the population.

That is utter nonsense.

From HM Revenue and Customs:

Taxable bands

10% - £0-£2150
22% - £2151-£33,300
40% - Over £33,300

With the personal allowance being £5035.

Jono · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:44

Nickg said:
because they are rich, and the others are poor? i thought this nation was trying to close the gap between the two, not maintain, or increase it?

Why are the others poor? Because other people work more?

Slime101 · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:46

The Mad Rapper said:
The sort of person who can afford to own and run a 4x4 will probably have enough cash to pay £25 a day to drive in London.

I can't escape the feeling that it represents shameless revenue generation though...

Load of Tosh, except the shameless revenue generation.

D4VE said:
Not bothered at all. I think its good that 4x4 drivers are targetted. If they live in the zone and drive 4x4s they have too much money anyway.

And some more...

Rosbif said:
4x4 users should be put on trial for murder of the Planet and then put into concentration camps with their remains being distributed in an eco-friendly manner.

Nothing can be said in a family forum as a response to this, so i shall suffice to say you are talking out your backside, and clearly need to get a grip.

D4VE said:
It is, band G.

Some vehicles in that band wont be 4x4s.

Actually most wont, but youll see sports cars, mpv's, exec cars but of the top 100 poluters, 4x4 only feature a few times!!

The Running Man · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:46

Jono said:
Why are the others poor? Because other people work more?

no, and usually you will find the ones who earn the most are the ones farthest removed from actual daily "hard work" - go figure that one out.

kitten_caboodle · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:47

HEADRAT said:
Welll MPV's are pretty large, shouldn't those be charged as well?

Or do we just target the rich because they know they will pay!

Why is it OK to target the rich and not the poor I wonder

HEADRAT

The daily charge for vehicles in carbon emissions band G - which includes 4x4s - is to rise from £8 to £25 from 2009.

It's not just 4x4's. It's the highest emission producing vehicles (225+) which includes the Jaguar X-type 2.0 saloon, Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe 3.6 and BMW X5 4.8 litre however the lowest 2 bands are to become free. Been in the pipeline for ages.

It's going hand in hand with the charging of such car owners almost triple the parking permit cost of smaller cars - leading to people paying huge amounts to park outside their own houses if they drive a bigger/higher emission car.

This is a link to the paper from the Alliance Against Urban 4x4's group that have been pushing for this for ages:

Linky

Edit: took me so long to type some points have already been covered :rolleyes:

noob · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:48

Slime101 said:
Nothing can be said in a family forum as a response to this, so i shall suffice to say you are talking out your backside, and clearly need to get a grip.

haha it was a joke. Are you American?

meghatronic · 14 Nov 2006 at 11:50

Mr Nice said:
40% income tax on £1M?

Are you sure? I'm nearly at the bracket and earning no where near £1M?

In the 2005-2006 tax year, the tax brackets were:

10%: from £0 to £2,090
22%: from £2,090 to £32,400
40%: from £32,400 and above
This covers income after the personal allowance (£4,895 for single people, meaning that 40% is not paid until more than £37,295 is earned).
Notes - This does not cover employees national insurance, which is essentially another tax. This is taxed at a rate of 11% for money earned per week between £84 and £645 per week. For most incomes this tends to work out around an additional 5-10% to the tax rate.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/it.htm