Congestion charge to rise to £25!

noob said:
haha it was a joke. Are you American? :p
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No, English thanks.

Howwever its not funny, there is so much anti-4x4 propoganda and crap spouted all over the place it wouldnt supprise me if it wasnt ment seriously.

Most of the "facts" by people like greenpeace and the anti urban 4x4 alliance are simply not true, they are warped and scewed to their own end, and its about time people started being presented with REAL facts showing it fairly.
 
Slime101 said:
No, English thanks.

Howwever its not funny, there is so much anti-4x4 propoganda and crap spouted all over the place it wouldnt supprise me if it wasnt ment seriously.

Most of the "facts" by people like greenpeace and the anti urban 4x4 alliance are simply not true, they are warped and scewed to their own end, and its about time people started being presented with REAL facts showing it fairly.
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Further to this, my estranged father recently got a 4x4 - which I rebuked him for. However, it does pretty amazing mpg (Diesel)... more than most cars I know.
 
kitten_caboodle said:
It's going hand in hand with the charging of such car owners almost triple the parking permit cost of smaller cars - leading to people paying huge amounts to park outside their own houses if they drive a bigger/higher emission car.
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I guess they need to use those bigger parking spaces then.

Oh wait.

If you're going to start charging more for cars which have lower fuel economy ratings (despite the fact that means that more fuel is bought, which generates more tax revenue), just come out and say it, rather than lumping it in with congestion charge. I really don't see much of an alternative for most people who need to carry anything larger than a bag to work.
 
It's fine they'll just get LPG conversions if they can afford it ;) Then they'll be CC free.

The CC zone will be huge now. It's crap. Furthermore the main roads like Park Lane, and Edgeware road are going to be choc-a-block as they will be chargeless roads. Fantastic.

I don't live in the zone but I would resent having to pay if I lived in the zone and wanted to use my car. Dammit I'd be paying enough insurance, parking permit (in london you tend to have to), road tax, fuel prices etc... why should I be charged to drive in and out of the zone. I didn't CHOOSE to live inside the zone and why should I now have to pay for using my car? Yearly travel cards are exorbitantly expensive, public transport in London is pretty **** poor in general, and all in all it's a shambles. Where are they spending all these increases in prices for tickets and the CC and every other tax?

Thank God I don't live in the zone and have to face all that - I hate London sometimes.... Actually I hate it a lot of the times. Unless you're loaded it's a **** place to live - even if you are loaded, why would you choose london?!
 
Caged said:
I guess they need to use those bigger parking spaces then.

Oh wait.

If you're going to start charging more for cars which have lower fuel economy ratings (despite the fact that means that more fuel is bought, which generates more tax revenue), just come out and say it, rather than lumping it in with congestion charge. I really don't see much of an alternative for most people who need to carry anything larger than a bag to work.
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I agree they should just come out with it. But you can hardly fit more than a bag in a Porsche Carerra anyway, so that argument doesn't really stick there ;)
 
Freefaller said:
It's fine they'll just get LPG conversions if they can afford it ;) Then they'll be CC free.

The CC zone will be huge now. It's crap. Furthermore the main roads like Park Lane, and Edgeware road are going to be choc-a-block as they will be chargeless roads. Fantastic.

I don't live in the zone but I would resent having to pay if I lived in the zone and wanted to use my car. Dammit I'd be paying enough insurance, parking permit (in london you tend to have to), road tax, fuel prices etc... why should I be charged to drive in and out of the zone. I didn't CHOOSE to live inside the zone and why should I now have to pay for using my car? Yearly travel cards are exorbitantly expensive, public transport in London is pretty **** poor in general, and all in all it's a shambles. Where are they spending all these increases in prices for tickets and the CC and every other tax?

Thank God I don't live in the zone and have to face all that - I hate London sometimes.... Actually I hate it a lot of the times. Unless you're loaded it's a **** place to live - even if you are loaded, why would you choose london?!
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Public transport in London is actually pretty good, so I suppose you've just been unlucky in your experiances. I commute into London every day, Monday to Friday and have no complaints about public transport at all.

I agree with your last paragraph completely though, which is why I moved to beautiful Beaconsfield in Buckinghamshire!
 
The Mad Rapper said:
It is not tosh at all. If you can afford the 30K plus needed for a Range Rover, and you can afford the fuel to run it, then you can afford the new charge.
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That doesnt follow at all.

Many cars are bought on finance (awaits the holier than thou, i wouldnt do that so they shouldnt!)

They dont use that much fuel - check your figures before assuming because its a RR they guzzle!

And why on earth should they pay more? These green cars, the prius for example are not really green at all. Yes they have low emissions due to being battery powered but they need recharging, where does that come from, powerstations - most of which are coal, oil or gas fired, so it simply moves the problem of CO2 emissions from the car to the powerstation. Also they have batteries with a shelf life of approx 10 yrs, a msssive replacement cost and they are full of harmful toxic chemicals which are hard and expensive to extract and re-use so the car will just be dumped after 10 yrs.

Simply look at a landrover for long term use, it may not be the most enviro friendly car, but youll find its nothing like the worst on emissions and itll last 30yrs+, not many other cars do?
 
Theres simply too many cars on the roads these days, and personally the only deterrant(sp?) for people is to charge them more money for using their cars. I feel sorry for the people that actually need their cars for their jobs, but there must be a substantial amount of people who dont have to drive surely?
 
The Mad Rapper said:
Public transport in London is actually pretty good, so I suppose you've just been unlucky in your experiances. I commute into London every day, Monday to Friday and have no complaints about public transport at all.

I agree with your last paragraph completely though, which is why I moved to beautiful Beaconsfield in Buckinghamshire!
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I've been living in London for over 12 years - I am more often surprised by having a smooth easy journey (which do happen I will admit) than i am of delays and alterations, or dirty, grimey horrible services. Then again i'm comparing it to European public transport which is far more efficient, and more pleasant.

Beaconsfield is lovely - good choice. Sorry you have to go to London every day though...
 
Pure and simple revenue generation, otherwise they would drop (or lower) the charge for the lowest polluting vehicles and that itself would be an incentive to swap from high polluting vehicles (it worked well originally with a lot of people swapping to 2 wheels to avoid the charge).

The fact that they are putting the cost of other vehicles up so high is they still want to take the same money from the public as they have managed to do for the past years.

And all those that seem to think everyone who lives in London (or needs to travel into it each day) and drives a vehicle in he higher band is loaded needs to get a grip on reality.
 
Slime101 said:
That doesnt follow at all.

And why on earth should they pay more? These green cars, the prius for example are not really green at all. Yes they have low emissions due to being battery powered but they need recharging, where does that come from, powerstations - most of which are coal, oil or gas fired, so it simply moves the problem of CO2 emissions from the car to the powerstation. Also they have batteries with a shelf life of approx 10 yrs, a msssive replacement cost and they are full of harmful toxic chemicals which are hard and expensive to extract and re-use so the car will just be dumped after 10 yrs.

Simply look at a landrover for long term use, it may not be the most enviro friendly car, but youll find its nothing like the worst on emissions and itll last 30yrs+, not many other cars do?
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You're spot on with the life expectancy thing there. I believe a survey showed recently that the Prius costs £1,000 more per year to run than a 'normal' car of the same bracket. Plus the 4x4's do last an incredibly long time - so traded off against all the materials and energy used to make it and then advertise and sell it, you're probably onto something there.

I still don't like them, but that's because they make my life a misery (I live almost next to a primary school) and I do think they are being demonised while the government all still drive around in their jags and their chauffeur driven limos. - If Blair reduced his private plane use by 10% he'd probably reduce emissions more than all the fourxfours in London make up.

GSXRMovistar said:
Pure and simple revenue generation, otherwise they would drop (or lower) the charge for the lowest polluting vehicles and that itself would be an incentive to swap from high polluting vehicles (it worked well originally with a lot of people swapping to 2 wheels to avoid the charge).

The fact that they are putting the cost of other vehicles up so high is they still want to take the same money from the public as they have managed to do for the past years.
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The first two bands are being made free.
 
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brocksta said:
Theres simply too many cars on the roads these days, and personally the only deterrant(sp?) for people is to charge them more money for using their cars. I feel sorry for the people that actually need their cars for their jobs, but there must be a substantial amount of people who dont have to drive surely?
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Really? You rekon public transport is good enough to make people change, and has the capacity to cope if we did?? Not a chance!

Why would you want to go and do the weekly family shop on a bus, you have to wait for it to arrive, pay silly money to use it, then struggle with 8+ bags of shopping to the bus stop, wait again, struggle some more getting on the bus, pay more silly fairs and get dropped half a mile away from your house only to struggle with your shopping home....add a small child or 2 to the equation and you'd be mad to ever contemplate using a bus!
 
Ok, it is the congestion charge, so technically any car should be charged. But I am glad to see that lowest polluting cars get in free and the highest ones charged the most. :)
 
Slime101 said:
Really? You rekon public transport is good enough to make people change, and has the capacity to cope if we did?? Not a chance!

Why would you want to go and do the weekly family shop on a bus, you have to wait for it to arrive, pay silly money to use it, then struggle with 8+ bags of shopping to the bus stop, wait again, struggle some more getting on the bus, pay more silly fairs and get dropped half a mile away from your house only to struggle with your shopping home....add a small child or 2 to the equation and you'd be mad to ever contemplate using a bus!
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yes but you cant deny that these days some people are simply too lazy. The prime example being parents driving their kids to school. I never had this luxury and today even though ive passed my driving test, im only going to get a car when i absolutely have to.
 
brocksta said:
yes but you cant deny that these days some people are simply too lazy. The prime example being parents driving their kids to school. I never had this luxury and today even though ive passed my driving test, im only going to get a car when i absolutely have to.
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yes but part of this is that it's impossible for many families not to have two incomes coming in now to cope with the cost of living. And if you have to get to work for 9am, you can't really walk your kid to school can you? I agree with you that many people are just bloody lazy, but I think that's a bad example tbh.
 
kitten_caboodle said:
The first two bands are being made free.
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That's my point, the fact that they are putting the costs up on the other end is purely to scrap back the money they won't be making on the free bands. Simply revenue generation driven.
 
brocksta said:
yes but you cant deny that these days some people are simply too lazy. The prime example being parents driving their kids to school. I never had this luxury and today even though ive passed my driving test, im only going to get a car when i absolutely have to.
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Its not about being lazy, its just plain impractical. Also why extend an hour supermarket trip into a 3 hour ordeal waiting about and lugging stuff.

Public transport is expensive, smelly, dirty, slow, late, inconvenient....need i go on?
 
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