Council Estates

Easy to solve - set aside a few entire estates of new builds for the problem families - move them they get x many complaints, or otherwise prove themselves to be impossible to live near. Fill up a couple of estates with the same kind of family and wait for them to kill themselves off, replenishing the empty, blood-stained housing as you go.

Can't your mates move elsewhere? Assuming they both work, it should be easy to find a small place to rent on the cheap until they get a deposit together.
 
I am very very liberal but am still yet to work out why anyone gets given a free house for life.

When it is impossible for your average working man to buy a house these days. How is that benefit, it is more like winning the god dam lottery.

Labour my ass, they don't want to help people that actually do any labour. we are supposed to have democracy and so should have a system that benefits mr average, mr average should work and not get a free house so what is going on?
 
Errm, labour aren't in power anymore. :o
[edit]but I do now see your point, it was Labour who got us all here in the first place (though some will even disagree with that and point at the Tories who wielded the axe before the last Labour government.) [/edit]
 
It only takes one 'scum' family to ruin an entire estate.It doesn't help that most people ignore the antisocial behaviour,and pretend it isn't happening,as long as its not happening to them.
 
BloodyL said:
The problem is:

1)If you plonk all the undesirables in one location you just end up with an enclave of trouble.
2)If you try and distribute the troublemakers in with society to try and get them to pick up the habits and manners of those around them you end up with 1 household causing hell for the rest of the community.

So where are you going to put them?
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In the army.
 
I think the anti-social behaviour Britain is experiencing requires some seriously drastic action. I'm talking lockdowns, curfews, armed police on street corners, the lot. This country is out of control. I think it is so out of control that the previously mentioned idea has probably been considered, but the threat to the police is too great. Which would mean bringing our boys (and girls) back from Afghanistan and Iraq and getting the army involved to control a curfew. And what a hideous country we would become as a result.
 
I wrote a long reply but the more I got into it, the more I realised it droned on and probablly wouldn't make sense to others.

So I'll cut it short - living in council propery or not makes no difference, respect for people in general has gone out the window, I've put up with my fair share of scummers. Best thing to do is band together with like minded people and be persistant in complaints, noting things down etc - down with the scum.
 
yep a good dose of discipline is required in many cases they never had any structure or discipline in their lives now schools aren't allowed to discipline children properly so you have kids who have grown up with no discipline what so ever.


National service then if they mess up off to the glasshouse with em :)
 
Remove women from the work place making them solely responsible for the care of their children. Scrap child support, housing benefit and have a one size fits all benefit for the unemployed. Unemployed and can't pay the rent? Pack your bags and get out or get a job after all there should be plenty of employment now that women are no longer in the work place.
 
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The underclass, I could go on for hours complaining about them.

My next door neighbours yell and swear all the time and belong on a council estate, yet they live in a 5 bedroomed house with a separate double garage. This just proves that you do indeed get scum everywhere. They were basically scummers who found a well paid man.

To the OP: Council estates are (in general) where the losers of society will live. You mentioned that the area is getting worse over time, well the houses people buy are getting better people all the time. For example: A £180k 4 bed detached from about 2002 would now be £300k (an example from near me), so the people who bought it in 2002 are not as well off as people who are buying them now.
The same goes for small houses such as 3 bed semis - First time buyers will have decent jobs (especially those buying alone) as people on £12k will never be able to afford it, wheras in the past (say in 1980) EVERYONE could afford some sort of house, no matter what job you had.

I fully agree with Leviathon that some people have lost all respect and an 'underclass' has developed. I do wish they were given a clip round the ear by teachers/police (this is the exact reason I didn't go into these professions tbh).

What makes me feel sad is when you see someone in a wheelchair with a leg missing, on full benefit support. No, he wasn't in the forces, he was injecting himself with drugs and lost his leg.
 
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Orcish-Horde said:
Remove women from the work place making them solely responsible for the care of their children. Scrap child support, housing benefit and have a one size fits all benefit for the unemployed. Unemployed and can't pay the rent? Pack your bags and get out or get a job after there should be plenty of employment now that women are no longer in the work place.
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What about women that don't want children? Or women who have to have roles eg female doctors, policewomen... You can't dictate to people who can and can't work. It's playing God, not (pretending to) running a country.

Scrapping child support would leave parents with a huge financial burden and no help, and by previous comment mother out of work so even less income.

I agree with the one size fits all unemployment benefit, however I'd suggest that once they are back in work they their benefit back via tax, treating it as benefit a loan from the G'ment (however this would be a negative factor in getting people to want to get back to work).

If I lost my job and couldn't afford my rent I would need some immediate support to help me get back on my feet. Taking things away is never a good option. I don't know what I'd do if I was unemployed for a long period of time now, move back in with parents I guess... :( I think the G'ment loan I stated earlier would be a good way of continuing to live my lifestyle but an incentive enough to get me back to work as the longer I'd leave it the more I'd have to pay back.
 
From my own experience Councils dont take anti social behaviour serious,i grew up on a new build council estate and lived there quite happily for years my parents still live in the same house and so do nearly all their neihgbours who moved in at the same time as us in 1980 so we all get along.Most of them including my parents bought the property from the Council at one time or the other.

An old lady who had lived their for 25 years moved out and the council moved in a chav with 5 kids and it totally ruined the street,it used to be a quiet street but as soon as she moved in the end of the street where she lived turned into a ****hole.

Dog crap all over,garden was a mess rubbish all over the place,noise,outside drinking,arguements,people peeing in the street.

Complaint after complaint and they just got a slap on the wrist time and time again.

People like this just dont deserve a house,scum of the earth.
 
For a lot of people, it's not a very easy existance, certainly not one I would trade for. Booze/drugs/sex are about the only things they've ever known and it would take a huge shift in their world-view to make a difference to their behaviour.

It is incredibly frustrating to see people treating their kids like dirt, whilst they blow the benefits on anything other than what they should (a popular one round here is a big TV - gotta have a big telly!) and so the cycle just continues to get worse.

The amount of houses I've walked past with council windows, destroyed front lawns, dogs barking and yet the glow of a massive TV in the front window or a new(ish) car on said lawn astounds me. Some seriously messed up priorities - how can they even afford the pedigree dog?!
 
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