1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Council Tax - Is it too high?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Psycho Sonny, Aug 16, 2018.

  1. Gigabit

    Mobster

    Joined: Apr 9, 2012

    Posts: 11,759

    @antijoke Countries with higher taxes overwhelmingly have much better qualities of life.
     
  2. Sasahara

    Mobster

    Joined: Feb 12, 2009

    Posts: 3,713

    But most, if not all of those countries are richer to start with, so making a direct comparison is misleading.
     
  3. Gigabit

    Mobster

    Joined: Apr 9, 2012

    Posts: 11,759

    We're the fifth richest economy in the world, you're talking nonsense.
     
  4. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 46,406

    Location: Plymouth

  5. muon

    Capodecina

    Joined: Nov 8, 2006

    Posts: 17,505

    Location: London

    Who said he was? Also that's a nice way to dismiss all evidence.
     
  6. StriderX

    Capodecina

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 18,112

  7. MissChief

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 17, 2010

    Posts: 15,537

    If they said we're going to increase taxation by £10pm with that money ring-fenced for the NHS I wouldn't raise any objection. I suspect most wouldn't. I just wouldn't trust the Tories that the money would go to the NHS.
     
  8. StriderX

    Capodecina

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 18,112

    Straight into Virgin Care's Lidl NHS.
     
  9. MissChief

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 17, 2010

    Posts: 15,537

    Straight to your local hospital!
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2018
  10. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 46,406

    Location: Plymouth

    What evidence? It's an unsourced, unreferenced claim.

    The link I provided actually graphs the correlation, and it is mild, not overwhelming, and subject to wide variance.

    It simply isn't the case that increasing your tax burden improves quality of life, or that reducing it decreases it. What it shows is that there is a mild correlation between higher tax burdens, and improved quality of life. There are countries with high and low tax burdens with similar quality of life measures.
     
  11. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 46,406

    Location: Plymouth

    I would, because pumping it into an unreformed nhs wouldn't do anything to improve outcomes beyond trend. We know this, because it has already been done under labour.

    Simply increasing the tax collection and spending more isn't the answer.
     
  12. Gigabit

    Mobster

    Joined: Apr 9, 2012

    Posts: 11,759

    The NHS was on its knees until Labour actually gave a crap about it. And now the Tories are running it down again, like they do for all public services so they can privatise them.
     
  13. Nasher

    Capodecina

    Joined: Nov 22, 2006

    Posts: 11,863

    Richest economy, not richest people. The UK is rich but for the 99% that it's wealth is meaningless.
     
  14. Gigabit

    Mobster

    Joined: Apr 9, 2012

    Posts: 11,759

    Did you read the post I responded to?

    And you're right, which is why we need the rich to pay their taxes and to redistribute the wealth.
     
  15. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 46,406

    Location: Plymouth

    We already have the bottom 5 deciles as net recipients of state funds. How much more redistribution do you want?
     
  16. Rroff

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 13, 2006

    Posts: 61,587

    But way behind many of the Scandinavian, etc. countries when it comes to things like GDP per capita, etc. you can't just emulate what works for a country with 1/10th our population and high levels of income not to mention other social aspects - especially when some of these have natural resource revenue and management we can only dream of.
     
  17. Jokester

    Don

    Joined: Aug 7, 2003

    Posts: 38,352

    Location: Aberdeenshire

    Scandinavian societies are also a lot more homogenous which is shown to be a key indicator of happiness.
     
  18. Gigabit

    Mobster

    Joined: Apr 9, 2012

    Posts: 11,759

    So let's do things that grow the economy, like investing in it. Let's fix broken privatised systems like the railways, let's stop cutting police numbers.
     
  19. Meridian

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 11,787

    Location: Vvardenfell

    Aren't we now sixth?
     
  20. Gigabit

    Mobster

    Joined: Apr 9, 2012

    Posts: 11,759

    Because we once again voted against our own interests