Given that the last 2 waves through my nephews school took out half the kids not well enough to be in school regardless what they put on the paperwork it isn't really working. Albeit not sure what they can do to stop that as in that environment masks do little, can't keep them distancing and only very well designed ventilation systems seem to make any impact.
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Given that the last 2 waves through my nephews school took out half the kids not well enough to be in school regardless what they put on the paperwork it isn't really working. Albeit not sure what they can do to stop that as in that environment masks do little, can't keep them distancing and only very well designed ventilation systems seem to make any impact.
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I’ll summarise what he said….
People die and I don’t care
It’s only old people dying so I don’t care
I don’t believe the ONS or excess death figures
God forbid...
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Yes they have, educate yourself and stop talking rubbish. I said hospitalisations I never mentioned anything about ICU.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-today
Good idea, theres only one tiny flaw with that cunning plan: it'd cost the govt money.
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As Rroff said in reality all that's happened is that you've still got the high lack of attendance, but it's now not down to "covid".
At the same time removing all the safety precautions, testing and reporting is potentially going to be a disaster if the damage from covid is at all cumulative and there are already a number of studies that suggest that the more often you get it, the more likely you are to suffer longer term side effects (and that even just getting it mildly once can be causing "hidden" problems in some people that aren't showing up for years).
From one thing I was reading a few days ago there is a chance that in some people where Covid messes up their immune system it basically wipes out your previous vaccinations (not the first virus to be known to do this*), and the only way you find out is if you get specific tests for the antibody responses for those diseases done, or you get that disease (people who got things like Hepatitis vaccines, and the status of their other major ones checked due to their work finding out that they've lost their antibody response and needing to get revaccinated). For long term public health this could be a disaster as it potentially means that "herd immunity" for all sorts of vaccinated diseases may fall below the level needed for public safety.
I've said it before, my sister has now had covid ~3 times in 12 months (twice in about 3 months), my grand nephew had it twice in ~3 months, my nephew has had it twice. in a few months, and there seems to be no telling how bad you'll get it from one infection to the next, my sister was far worse the third time, my nephew was bad the first, and my grandnephew barely showed any symptoms either time (but managed to infect his whole family - over half his class was off ill with it**).
We're still basically learning how covid works, so to just say "well get on with it, no need to worry" is a very carefree attitude to have, and is looking increasingly likely it's going to come back and bite people on the butt to some extent or another, I just hope it's not in too large a number, or too serious (and that we will have ways to cope/manage it). We're still learning about the longer term effects of all sorts of infections that cause far less immediate damage to the infected..
*IIRC one of the other common childhood virus's was found to do this, but only relatively recently after a lot of study.
**Some quite ill.
OK. Firstly you said....
Demonstrably false because hospitalisations were higher during the second peak as your graph clearly shows.
And yes you said hospitalisations, not people in hospital. They are different statistics.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview&areaName=United Kingdom
Really! So thats go with that shall we, no symptoms so go to school, and then lets just pass that infection on to say 10 more children who get symptoms and have to stay off but that's all fine because the first child who spread this one has had his "1 week extra uninterrupted education / normal childhood". Why give a damn about anyone else right? And staying off school for a week is hardly an uninterrupted education in the grand scheme of things!
Lets also hope that child does not pass the infection on to the teacher either because then the whole class gets messed around with, at best, a stand in teacher who has no real idea of where the children are in their syllabus or the level of the individual children and so will use some generic lessons for a week while the said normal teacher recovers or at worst a closed class due teacher shortage through illness but hey, lets send that single child to school so as to "give him an uninterrupted education / normal childhood".
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We should do a poll on what's more divisive, Brexit or Covid 
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Not all schools. Plenty are telling kids to stay home for a few days with any respiratory illness.
Thank goodness testing has gone, I’m sick of covering for asymptomatic people who tested positive and I know far too many who have just used it for some free time off.
Agreed, kids need to be in school. Lockdowns have caused more issues for kids than I’ve ever seen previously. We can’t stay locked down forever, most ‘precautions’ do bugger all, we just need to carry on. The one positive about Ukraine is that it’s well and truly out Covid out of the news. I’m sick of hearing about it.
How is this any different to any other illnesses before Covid? People get ill. Teachers get ill. They set work and often now teach remotely. Your suggestion is far more damaging. In most cases the teacher won’t even know they have it.
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I assume your one of those still hiding under their bed in fear of Covid ? A virus that kills or seriously affects a tiny fraction of a percentage of the people it infects.
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Let me think about this. Do I WANT to be ill for no reason, feel really crap and then infect my family, make them ill too which in turn affects me not to mention the possible long term effects
I think I’ll pass
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You realise there are loads of other infections out there right? You better never leave the house or socialise with anyone. I doubt that’ll be a problem for you though.
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Yes the wheels of the world need to keep turning but Covid is not, I repeat not like "loads of other infections out there", I'll give you an example, common flu, you might contract it twice in a decade, so what infections are you talking about exactly when you say "loads of infections"? or are we comparing Covid to a common cold now? Some people are catching Covid 3 times over the course of a year, seriously impacting their quality of life, I know a number of people that have had to quit their job due to long Covid.
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Surely you realise the difference in infectivity of COVID vs those other infections you are talking about? You'll likely come across those by pure chance once in a blue moon, but with COVID you're guaranteeing it by doing a lot of 'normal' things nowadays.
Not a well-thought-out post.
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It’s amazing some of you ever manage to leave the house.
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I leave the house daily maskless but I'm not stupid and know the risk of getting Covid is a massive risk compared to other diseases.
Some people think it doesn't exist any more, like I said above, 300 Covid patients in our hospital.
I've just been to see my Dad in the Cardiology ward and every private room has got a yellow Covid sticker on it.
Soldato
Really, resorting to those sort of posts? I thought you were better than that...
You have to remember, a lot who post in here are either vulnerable or live with/care for someone who is vulnerable so they are likely to be more cautious as the consequences for them are going to be worse.
And has been said, there isn't really another virus out there with such a sky high infectivity rate that has the potential to cause ongoing long term issues and is currently circulating so freely across millions of people.
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Good stuff! Fingers crossed they help her! How is she feeling?
Yesterday she said she felt like she had gone 10 rounds with mike Tyson, but today she pretty much just been coughing her guts up, TBH she’s tough as old boots and she said she currently feels nowhere near as bad as some of her past treatments(flebogamma/cyclophosphamide) but it’s only day 2, hopefully the antivirals will keep it like that