COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[Hagar]

Bet it could have been done with the £37billion they wasted on track and trace...

Perhaps, but do we want it? This virus will only be controlled by improvements in prophylactics, nasal vaccines and other treatments. Not by turning every space into a controlled environment all at an ongoing large cost, financial as well as environmental.

 

[ltron]

Your dentist is a private enterprise and unlikely to be supplied as a government contract.

Now consider every school, college and university. Every government building, job centre etc., in the country. Probably hundreds of thousands of spaces. Not only specified, designed and fitted but ensuring effectiveness with the building fabric. Heating requirements, additional costs. CO2 additions and power requirements.

Your dentist just puts up his price to customers and is not worried about his zero emission targets at all.

It would take the pressure off the NHS though, not just for COVID but for flu and other respiratory illnesses (which already put huge pressure on the NHS every winter). I would be willing to bet that this would save a significant amount of money overall. As for CO2, the government can take many actions which they are not doing which would have a much greater impact on reducing it and more than make up for any small increase due to producing more air purifiers (they do not cause any emissions directly, in fact they can partially clean the air of such pollutants with additional specialised filters: https://ecolivingexpert.com/do-air-purifiers-reduce-co2/).

 

[jw2331]

Oh I wonder if we could have ended world hunger with 37 billion...

How on earth they spanked 37 billion on track and trace I have no idea... even 1/10th of that.

£37m, yes. Not £37bn. I didn't download it as not compatible for people living in flats.

 

[Rroff]

Honestly, enjoy the last few years of the good life. If we're this divided over a piece of damn nanoscopic protein, we're totally screwed at dealing with anything like ocean acidification, climate change, pollution, and whatever.

Sucks to be the incoming generation.

I expect these things go in cycles but I feel like the best years are behind us. There is no way we will do anything meaningful about climate change before it is too late if it comes to it - the point problems are undeniably imminent.

 

[chrcoluk]

I expect these things go in cycles but I feel like the best years are behind us. There is no way we will do anything meaningful about climate change before it is too late if it comes to it - the point problems are undeniably imminent.

For me climate change action needs to be backed by science. It also needs to be something that doesnt ruin people's lives.

The current way of human life would have to change to a polar opposite for us to make short term meaningful change, so realistically it is going to be a gradual thing, renewable energy, non polluting vehicles etc.

Also over millions of years we get natural climate change, and I have never been convinced we not merely witnessing that.

 

[Tephnos]

For me climate change action needs to be backed by science. It also needs to be something that doesnt ruin people's lives.

The current way of human life would have to change to a polar opposite for us to make short term meaningful change, so realistically it is going to be a gradual thing, renewable energy, non polluting vehicles etc.

Also over millions of years we get natural climate change, and I have never been convinced we not merely witnessing that.

At the risk of derailing this thread, the last line is exactly where you are wrong; it is a misrepresentation of the facts. Does climate change happen naturally? Yes, over thousands or tens of thousands of years. You cannot, with a straight face, say we have evidence that suggests the climate changed so rapidly in the course of 200 years ever before (excluding freak events like a giant asteroid or supervolcano, of course), because it doesn't exist.

The rate of climate change is what is worrying, a large portion of life on this planet cannot cope with such rapid changes and is one of the reasons why we are entering another mass extinction (Holocene) event, this time the so-called 'human caused' event.

 

[chrcoluk]

At the risk of derailing this thread, the last line is exactly where you are wrong; it is a misrepresentation of the facts. Does climate change happen naturally? Yes, over thousands or tens of thousands of years. You cannot, with a straight face, say we have evidence that suggests the climate changed so rapidly in the course of 200 years ever before (excluding freak events like a giant asteroid or supervolcano, of course), because it doesn't exist.

The rate of climate change is what is worrying, a large portion of life on this planet cannot cope with such rapid changes and is one of the reasons why we are entering another mass extinction (Holocene) event, this time the so-called 'human caused' event.

I didnt say I have evidence, I said we dont have evidence that it is human caused climate change.

 

[Uther]

I didnt say I have evidence, I said we dont have evidence that it is human caused climate change.

I would hazard a guess that all the crap humanity has pumped into the atmosphere over the last few hundred years hasn't helped...

 

[Minusorange]

Sucks to be the incoming generation.

Imagine having kids and knowing this is the legacy you have left them doomed to

 

[jw2331]

Imagine having kids and knowing this is the legacy you have left them doomed to

One of the reasons I am childless. Plus been told by gynaecologists in the past that if I did have children, it would cause major problems for both me and the child.

 

[n111ck]

So after all that Boris' only crime was being ambushed with a birthday cake for 10 mins - Starmer is now screwed as his late night curry / beer social is clearly much worse lol..

Partygate findings 'will surprise people', police say - as inquiry ends with 126 fines

The conclusion of the Met's probe clears the way for Sue Gray's full report into partygate to be published in full - and it is expected next week.

news.sky.com

 

[D.P.]

I didnt say I have evidence, I said we dont have evidence that it is human caused climate change.

you are wrong, we do!

 

[Freefaller]

So after all that Boris' only crime was being ambushed with a birthday cake for 10 mins - Starmer is now screwed as his late night curry / beer social is clearly much worse lol..

Partygate findings 'will surprise people', police say - as inquiry ends with 126 fines

The conclusion of the Met's probe clears the way for Sue Gray's full report into partygate to be published in full - and it is expected next week.

news.sky.com

126 fines is basically 126 middle fingers stuck up to the whole of country. Borris lied, joked and tried to bumble his way out of the lies, whilst the rest of us sacrificed a huge amount of our lives, our kid's lives and so on whilst they just swanned around with complete contempt for the rules they made. I'm past being angry about it now as it serves no purpose - but they basically have painted the word that can't be written on the forums on each of our foreheads. At least Starmer who didn't break the rules yet (the investigation is still on going) has accepted he'd step down if he's found guilty.

The government's handling of all of this has been a joke. No wonder the UK didn't fare well compared to majority.

 

[n111ck]

126 fines is basically 126 middle fingers stuck up to the whole of country. Borris lied, joked and tried to bumble his way out of the lies, whilst the rest of us sacrificed a huge amount of our lives, our kid's lives and so on whilst they just swanned around with complete contempt for the rules they made. I'm past being angry about it now as it serves no purpose - but they basically have painted the word that can't be written on the forums on each of our foreheads. At least Starmer who didn't break the rules yet (the investigation is still on going) has accepted he'd step down if he's found guilty.

The government's handling of all of this has been a joke. No wonder the UK didn't fare well compared to majority.

Boris isn't in charge of HR at No. 10 and if he wasn't fined for the other events he clearly wasn't involved.

Starmer on the other hand is laughing at you because he thinks his contacts will get him off the hook - personally I hope Durham police say he breached the rules but that they dont retrospectively issue fines so the former DPP gets off on a technicality, not a good look and the new name Major Hyprocrisy will stick to Captain Hindsight...

 

[Freefaller]

Boris was fined. Even once is good enough for me. And the fact that his party followed suit is just not good enough. you don't need HR to set a standard, you set a standard by enacting the behaviours that you want others to follow. I don't give a toss about Starmer either, but the fact that Boris and his cronies are taking us for fools and show complete disregard for the rules they imposed on us, to me just shows how pathetic and down right disgusting the government is.

 

[jw2331]

I wish people will STOP this disgusting habit of holding money in their mouths! Why do they think its acceptable to continue to do this? How would they like it if shop staff started to hold the money in their mouths before giving the note to the customer?

The answer is - they wouldn't.

 

[Simon0001]

I wish people will STOP this disgusting habit of holding money in their mouths! Why do they think its acceptable to continue to do this? How would they like it if shop staff started to hold the money in their mouths before giving the note to the customer?

The answer is - they wouldn't.

Dont forget the songs that snort with 20s

 

[Rroff]

Boris was fined. Even once is good enough for me. And the fact that his party followed suit is just not good enough. you don't need HR to set a standard, you set a standard by enacting the behaviours that you want others to follow. I don't give a toss about Starmer either, but the fact that Boris and his cronies are taking us for fools and show complete disregard for the rules they imposed on us, to me just shows how pathetic and down right disgusting the government is.

Sadly people will continue to be taken in by them and vote for them next time around.

 

[Simon0001]

He needs to sort his hair out he looks like the special kid at school

 

[n111ck]

Boris was fined. Even once is good enough for me. And the fact that his party followed suit is just not good enough. you don't need HR to set a standard, you set a standard by enacting the behaviours that you want others to follow. I don't give a toss about Starmer either, but the fact that Boris and his cronies are taking us for fools and show complete disregard for the rules they imposed on us, to me just shows how pathetic and down right disgusting the government is.

He was ambushed with a cake for 10 mins - get some perspective - all the rest is nothing to do with him.

What a waste of £0.5m...