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Dark days, AMD share price at lowest ever.

ALXAndy said:
Oh sure, for those with any brain matter of course it will suck in the long run. You know? those like us who can actually envision the future with just one dominant company?

If people would see the bigger picture (like Greg for example, who bought a Fury X) and stop ****ging off AMD and actually buy something they make then we would be OK.

But that's not the game is it? the game is to buy Intel/Nvidia and then take to the forums like a woman with sand in her vagina and make it your life's work to make sure that anything you didn't buy and anything you don't have gets nailed to a cross and crucified.

Fury and Fury X for example. Great 4k cards, mission accomplished. But no, people can't just say "Well they're great 4k cards" no, no no no. They have to slaughter them over pump noise, heat, power consumption, the fact they are 2% slower than the 980ti, the lower VRAM count etc etc.

It's like some sort of sick twisted game.

The thing is the rest of the world doesn't work like that. We drive a Mini One for example (my lady wife and I) and that's a Mini. It's pants, it's not terribly fast and it certainly ain't no Zonda or Ferrari. But the world sees that car as sensible and fully fit for purpose.

AMD on the other hand? unless they beat Nvidia by about ten thousand percent they are always rubbish, always bad. And it's that sort of attitude that will eventually put a company out of business. I've always said that word of mouth is the most important aspect of any business succeeding or not. And man, you come on here and the mouth says "AMD are doomed, AMD are rubbish" and so on.

I've really had to walk away from this forum of late. I've not posted or read anywhere near what I used to because I just can't stand the amount of BS and rubbish you need to wade through. It's like some twisted (pardon the pun dude) witch hunt.
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Thing is though a lot of the criticism is entirely justified.
 
chroniclard said:
Thing is though a lot of the criticism is entirely justified.
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Actually no, it isn't. If you don't like AMD or a product they made you could simply just keep your opinions and spite to yourself.

Do you have some one following you around all day ****ging off your every move? no? I didn't think so.

AMD made a 4k GPU. For 4k it's very good. They launched it cheaper than the 980ti, Nvidia then respond and lower the price of the TI which was £20 or so higher. Now AMD will likely respond again once they get stock levels sorted so I don't see any bad in the Fury X at all.

In fact for me it's perfect, my only issue is finding one.
 
Equally, I don't stand up in front of thousands of people and make grandiose hyberbolic claims about what I'm doing for work tomorrow. If I did I'd expect some criticism when I failed to deliver.
 
ALXAndy said:
Actually no, it isn't. If you don't like AMD or a product they made you could simply just keep your opinions and spite to yourself.

Do you have some one following you around all day ****ging off your every move? no? I didn't think so.

AMD made a 4k GPU. For 4k it's very good. They launched it cheaper than the 980ti, Nvidia then respond and lower the price of the TI which was £20 or so higher. Now AMD will likely respond again once they get stock levels sorted so I don't see any bad in the Fury X at all.

In fact for me it's perfect, my only issue is finding one.
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Pump whine, poor stock, high number of faulty products, misinformation from AMD, all entirely justified criticism. Launch has been a bit poor.

Its a discussion forum, you cant exclude people from discussing the pros and cons of a product.

All vendors get treated the same, Titan X had pages of "banter" about the price and "robbing" NVidia.

Fury X looks to be a good product and once all the issues are sorted I might still get one but I see no problems debating/arguing about things.
 
andybird123 said:
Equally, I don't stand up in front of thousands of people and make grandiose hyberbolic claims about what I'm doing for work tomorrow. If I did I'd expect some criticism when I failed to deliver.
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I don't see anything grandiose or indeed narcissistic about the Fury X launch. The 970 fiasco? I've never seen such narcissism in my life (when they responded).

Bulldozer? yeah, they talked some poo. They've actually been very quiet lately..

Chronic. How about the absolutely awful power phases on the GTX 590? you know? how it blew up if you overclocked it? or how about that driver Nvidia (deliberately) accidentally launched that stopped the fan spinning on GPUs? Or the terrible power phases on the 780ti that 8 pack said were cheap and nasty?

Or the 970. Man, that was a good one !

No. Sorry no, you simply don't see the same level of hate being spat from AMD fans. Maybe the odd one or two, but certainly not the majority.

This thread is just more proof to what I'm saying.

Like I said though it doesn't matter. You'll all pay for it when AMD are gone. Personally I couldn't care, because if AMD go then this forum will die a death within weeks. There will be absolutely nothing left to talk about.
 
I don't hate AMD.
But they have no products to offer me in anything. They've not got a CPU to offer me, or a CPU in a tablet/laptop etc that they can offer me over what I've got.

The only possible product is the Fury/Fury X, and I can't justify that price outlay for my resolution and the gain, when it's inferior to the 980Ti. So, I'm not buying either.

So yes, I'm going to give them criticism.
 
Martini1991 said:
I don't hate AMD.
But they have no products to offer me in anything. They've not got a CPU to offer me, or a CPU in a tablet/laptop etc that they can offer me over what I've got.

The only possible product is the Fury/Fury X, and I can't justify that price outlay for my resolution and the gain, when it's inferior to the 980Ti. So, I'm not buying either.

So yes, I'm going to give them criticism.
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Your criticism is usually fair though, and constructive. I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to those who basically go out of their way to poison anything positive about AMD, including the AMD threads.

There's always one (insert rude expletive here) who dares to jump in and derail the thread.

And it's those who I can't wait to see punished when AMD go bust. And they will, because the crap and bile has literally overtaken the positives. Not just here but everywhere.

Can't wait to see cards like the 750ti cost $300 and upward.
 
To say AMD keep up with nVidia almost perfectly, given their insanely different budgets... One has to wonder if AMD are just super duper awesome or if nVidia are lazy and greedy?
My money is on the latter tbh. Without AMD we're all fuxx0red.
 
ALXAndy said:
Can't wait to see cards like the 750ti cost $300 and upward.
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There one major problem with that, hardly anyone would buy one, consequently the price would come down.

Just the same as if Intel's next 4core mainstream unlocked CPU was £900, the majority of people just wouldn't buy them. How many people here are still using sandy bridge CPU's, 290/x's because the to step above that isn't cheap and the step isn't big enough.

If AMD go bust tomorrow and NVidia are left out there alone producing GPU's there next 950ti isn't suddenly going to be $300, because it wont sell, people will just keep their faster earlier generation GPU's.
And if NVidia were to keep those sort of prices up for generation after generation, they would soon find their income drastically reduced because people wouldn't buy them, hence they would lower prices to what the market will sustain.
 
ALXAndy said:
I don't see anything grandiose or indeed narcissistic about the Fury X launch. The 970 fiasco? I've never seen such narcissism in my life (when they responded).

Bulldozer? yeah, they talked some poo. They've actually been very quiet lately..

Chronic. How about the absolutely awful power phases on the GTX 590? you know? how it blew up if you overclocked it? or how about that driver Nvidia (deliberately) accidentally launched that stopped the fan spinning on GPUs? Or the terrible power phases on the 780ti that 8 pack said were cheap and nasty?

Or the 970. Man, that was a good one !

No. Sorry no, you simply don't see the same level of hate being spat from AMD fans. Maybe the odd one or two, but certainly not the majority.

This thread is just more proof to what I'm saying.

Like I said though it doesn't matter. You'll all pay for it when AMD are gone. Personally I couldn't care, because if AMD go then this forum will die a death within weeks. There will be absolutely nothing left to talk about.
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I dont really know about all those, I wasnt really frequenting this forum at the time, perhaps its as you say. :)

However I feel things should be open to debate.

I am no AMD hater, currently have a 280X, previously 6850's in Crossfire, 5850, 8800GTX, various ATi cards.

Praise where its due but reserve the right to whinge about things if not. :p
 
Andy, you are hardly one to talk, the pages and pages of bile you spewed at the original titan launch, saying that anyone who bought them were this that and the other, and you ended up with two titan blacks yourself. Hypocrite much?

And yes, the AMD fans on here are just as bad in every Nvidia thread. It is pointless trying to single out "one side" or the other when everyone has their bias.
 
andybird123 said:
Andy, you are hardly one to talk, the pages and pages of bile you spewed at the original titan launch, saying that anyone who bought them were this that and the other, and you ended up with two titan blacks yourself. Hypocrite much?
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LOL - remember reading his BS,hardly can forget such.. :p

ALXAndy - you to funny to read :) Since when peeps cant give they opinions on tech forums? Isnt that the whole purpose of it? Im quite sure if you missing point of why such forums exists,you wont be missed here with such crap you just posted.

Martini1991 - totally agree about amd has no products,same boat,why should i pay for inferior product which has nothing but problems (not even going to talk about lackluster amd driver support).

Last couple years i had 7950,but obviously performance in newer games wasnt great at 1080p (not buying 4K monitor unless there is card who can really make 4K exp flawless).
Didnt wanted to go furyx way,as i was not sure amd can deliver (in fact i was sure they fail and they didnt disappointed me),so decided to get cheapo 1080p card until proper 4K cards arrive with more than funny 4Gb for "next gen" gpu's ;) - and got 970 - yes,970 when i knew all that so called "problems",about which mostly screaming those who never had that card.
Actually 970 is second best card after 8800GTX i had for price/performance - i paid ~250 for Strix version,overclocks like mad (even tho Huang didnt said its an overclockers dream :D ),temps never reach higher than 52C,
Kinda makes me wonder why i should waste my hard earned money to support dying company,which failed to deliver on they promises and they pathetic support? Maybe they should try less copy Nvidia and just keep working on they promises,since even they biggest fans now bought 980Ti's/TX's?
 
Gregster said:
I really can see this launch being a crippler for AMD and hurt them in the long run. Even the hardcore AMD fans here haven't bought a Fury/Fury X, so that tells me what they think of the launch. From my perspective, if you want to see them survive, it is no good whinging and whining from the sidelines and buy the products so they can invest in the future. If not, Nvidia being the only choice for GPU and Intel being the only choice for CPU will be a sad day and some really bad drip fed increments.
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AMD fans just aren't as Hardcore as Nvidia fans.
 
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