David Cameron suggets abolishing housing benefit for under 25's
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@Castiel - Two excellent posts.
It amazes me how people seem to be blind to these things.
While I'm not eligible for anything, I wouldn't even claim it if I was - I don't need any state support, it should go to those who are genuinely in need of it.
One thing which I've always found amusing, is care for the elderly - something which when it hits middle class Conservative families they believe the government should step in & pay for (instead of selling the family property & using that to pay for it).
Socialism for them, capitalism for everybody else - same old.
It amazes me how people seem to be blind to these things.
While I'm not eligible for anything, I wouldn't even claim it if I was - I don't need any state support, it should go to those who are genuinely in need of it.
One thing which I've always found amusing, is care for the elderly - something which when it hits middle class Conservative families they believe the government should step in & pay for (instead of selling the family property & using that to pay for it).
Socialism for them, capitalism for everybody else - same old.
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Just heard this on the news.
Absolute disgrace tbh
What about those that haev nowehre to go without the housing benefit?
Is he wanting to "force" young people into jobs? What jobs?
He's assuming that everyone can go back to parents/go back to partners/goto friends, quite simply not the case.
My little Brothers GF recently got kicked out by her (tbqfh mental case) mother adn she ended up staying at my mums house, overcrowded to say the least and a bit of a drain on my mother to say the least.
So she finally gets her own place after fighting tooth and claw not this ****
I seriously hope this doesn't go ahead.
Absolute disgrace tbh
What about those that haev nowehre to go without the housing benefit?
Is he wanting to "force" young people into jobs? What jobs?
He's assuming that everyone can go back to parents/go back to partners/goto friends, quite simply not the case.
My little Brothers GF recently got kicked out by her (tbqfh mental case) mother adn she ended up staying at my mums house, overcrowded to say the least and a bit of a drain on my mother to say the least.
So she finally gets her own place after fighting tooth and claw not this ****
I seriously hope this doesn't go ahead.
This also pretty much, as these are long term problems.
How about we offer the long term unemployed jobs building houses, paying a fair wage - utilising government owned land (to keep costs down even further) - then the houses are new social housing stock.
I don't mind the idea of getting the long term unemployed to work on things which benefit them directly, it's much better than making them free labour for Pound-land.
Once house prices have decreased in the UK to sustainable levels, not only do we solve the housing benefit costs problem - we increase the disposable income of millions, resulting in economic growth.
Surely that would only work for unemployed builders/plumbers/electricians...
People can be trained - if it's all done in-house it will be significantly cheaper.
depending how things are implamented some of this could work.
the housing benefit cap being brought in would help as long as it was used sensibly, as in if you need your own place due to circumstances, not just because you want to move out at 18 because your parents wont let you party 24/7.
same goes for the child benefit. anyone on a good wage shouldnt get it full stop. also a possible cap on the amount you can get. for example if your poping kids out year after year one at a time and you dont work then it should be made clear that after X number of children you wont get anything extra. but say you have multiple births (twins tripplets or more) there could be a little more wiggle room.
now the idea of forcing long term unemployed in to community work programmes, i dont have issues with this as such. but it has to be local things where they live. not being forced to work for benefits in a full time job which makes someone else unemployed. also would have to be designed where everyone is used properly rather than just handed a black bag to go litter picking every day.
the biggest issue though is the housing market, houses are overpriced even though banks and estate agents are still trying to talk up the market aboutr a recovery of prices which needs to be stopped as a house shouldnt be seen as an invesntment to double or tripple in price in a decade, it should be an investment for life and your childrens lives not as a money making scheme.
the housing benefit cap being brought in would help as long as it was used sensibly, as in if you need your own place due to circumstances, not just because you want to move out at 18 because your parents wont let you party 24/7.
same goes for the child benefit. anyone on a good wage shouldnt get it full stop. also a possible cap on the amount you can get. for example if your poping kids out year after year one at a time and you dont work then it should be made clear that after X number of children you wont get anything extra. but say you have multiple births (twins tripplets or more) there could be a little more wiggle room.
now the idea of forcing long term unemployed in to community work programmes, i dont have issues with this as such. but it has to be local things where they live. not being forced to work for benefits in a full time job which makes someone else unemployed. also would have to be designed where everyone is used properly rather than just handed a black bag to go litter picking every day.
the biggest issue though is the housing market, houses are overpriced even though banks and estate agents are still trying to talk up the market aboutr a recovery of prices which needs to be stopped as a house shouldnt be seen as an invesntment to double or tripple in price in a decade, it should be an investment for life and your childrens lives not as a money making scheme.
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Damnit I am agreeing with you, now I need to go slap myself
I would personally vote for any credible government proposing this. Its not short termist, its going to cost money, its going to hurt a little short term, but medium term its the sort of thing that could genuinely make a noticeable difference to the whole of the UK. You wouldn't see a noticeable difference for a generation but you would surely see a difference a generation later not just with more affordable housing but hopefully by then kicked into our global competitiveness.
I would use the military living modernisation as the start of that blueprint
http://www.projectslam.co.uk/ website seems borked btw.
Build blocks of 6-8 bedsit type arrangements with added bedrooms for dependants etc. Then group people based on main circumstances so don't put people who actually have jobs with a family of 8 none of whom work.
Surely over time its a way to encourage the underclasses to breed less, stay with their parents longer and reduce their overall burden to society?
Hehe
You mean this though, otherwise why would you have written it
.I agree though.
I feel the underlying ideology behind the Tory right (to whom he is appealing with this announcement) is that those who aren't "successful" have only themselves to blame for their situation, and that simplistically, they are in that situation because they don't try hard enough. If you believe this, why should you help them?
what he's also assuming is that you can work your way out of poverty, which time and time again is proven to not work, because there are much wider problems such as lack of opportunity and discrimination.
cameron is a ******* moron, what does a millionaire, eton privilege boy know about poverty and social justice anyway
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They've only recently just raised the age for single room rate HB from under 25s to under 35s, so now you have to be 35 years old to be eligible for housing benefit for a self contained flat, but I guess this has no effect on single parents or couples with kids.
+1.
Not so sure it's left - especially these last few attacks on the vulnerable, however I can't help but feel that the government has been severely compromised by the liberal democrats.
I'm not a fan of cameron either, I would have been far happier if william hague was the front man of the party.
Of course, most policy is developed behind the scenes by various members of the cabinet and their aids/advisors and the PM is the man paid to announce it and take the flack.
I don't like cameron, I don't like his way of attacking the vulnerable and I think we need to tackle the issues for the future not just react to the apparent problems of the now.
I'm all for stopping poor families breeding willy nilly and penalising people who cannot seem to use contraception when they rely on the state to support themselves, let alone a child. This needs to be done over time and give people a chance to prove they are capable of acting responsibly. If wayne and waynetta slob already have umpteen kids, all he would be doing is penalising the children. I'd wage that those kind of parents would reduce spending on their children ahead of their own booze and fags.
This will, however, make life a misery for many thousands of under 25's for no good reason. I'm not sure how much of a saving they hope to make but I think it'll be negated by the rise in crime resulting from taking bread from vulnerable people's plates.
Seems to work for the family of unmentioned ethnicity a few doors down from my parents house.
Most of them can get into the nissan sunny at the same time, too.
What hentai do you watch?