David Cameron suggets abolishing housing benefit for under 25's

mollymoo said:
No the parents had the choice, therefore they should take on the responsibilty of ensuring the childs prosperity, all the means are in place already, the state shouldn't be relied upon to provide because the parent can't be bothered.
Click to expand...

so much fail right here, so what your saying is if the parents are abusive/neglectful they should just man the **** up and take responsibility for their children and the state should play no part, omg what is wrong with you
 
grudas said:
but a lot of them dont take responsibility do you realize this or not ? you seem to think as if the mother gave birth to a child she will care for him all of her life? no and no again :] parents abuse, kick out their own kids as soon as they want and nothing can be done about it
Click to expand...

But they should, why have a child if you aren't going to take responsibility?
 
I know that there are many young people who do need to receive housing benefits for various genuine reasons, BUT, the ones that dont need them and use the benefits system because they are lazy / slept around and have 20 kids at the age of 19 will have a definite wake up call and will have to live rough until they learn that the government will no longer pay for them to live and be oxygen thieves.

I hope the government do a lot more than this to the benefits system - hopefully they will support euthanasia to chav like scum.
 
MrMoonX said:
so much fail right here, so what your saying is if the parents are abusive/neglectful they should just man the **** up and take responsibility for their children and the state should play no part, omg what is wrong with you
Click to expand...

As above, I wouldn't dream of being like that so why do you expect me to understand it? Are we really at a stage where people have begun to accept parents being irresponsible?
 
While I don't necessarily agree entirely with the suggestion and don't know the entire ins and outs of housing benefits I think the system should allow under 30's to have a capped housing benefit that can be used to pay for a room in a shared house. No separate flat/house unless you have a dependant or are married, and even then for the latter there is an argument that free housing for a couple in a shared house is fine.

I'm guessing that won't please some of the people on here but I think that would be the best way IMO. If you need help paying for housing you can either live with family or you can get a room in a shared house, like a significant number of working young people.
 
By allowing parents to wash their hands of kids at 18 and the kids to get their own council house and start raising their own brood of benefit dependants don't you see what's going to happen?

Benefits and social housing should not be an aspiration for people, it should be a last resort to ensure people have dignity and a baseline quality of life.

If you socialists got your way everybody would get what they wanted regardless if they worked or not.
 
mollymoo said:
No the parents had the choice, therefore they should take on the responsibilty of ensuring the childs prosperity, all the means are in place already, the state shouldn't be relied upon to provide because the parent can't be bothered.
Click to expand...

Parents are just people though, with their own problems, they are not always angels, there are many dysfunctional or broken homes where it is not practical or even possible for the child or young adult to stay at home, like Castiel said, forcing these people onto the streets is not going to solve anything, it will increase the homeless, crime, squatting etc, a myriad of problems.
 
The Halk said:
By allowing parents to wash their hands of kids at 18 and the kids to get their own council house and start raising their own brood of benefit dependants don't you see what's going to happen?

Benefits and social housing should not be an aspiration for people, it should be a last resort to ensure people have dignity and a baseline quality of life.

If you socialists got your way everybody would get what they wanted regardless if they worked or not.
Click to expand...

my parents or my mum more likely and my step dad are trying to wash their hands of me actually :) as soon as i turned 18 i was told i could get a flat and benefits to which i said i will not i will work and i will rent my own house but i get a lot of abuse over the years (im 21 now) only 1 year out of college having a hard time finding full time job to leave but im holding on to this! i simply refuse i just don't feel satisfied with my self i was going to be siting on benefits :] but many of those kids are thought/grew up this way and only understand one thing "government will pay for you" thats all they know and thats all they care its their life style its how their parents have lived and its how they grew up!
 
the reason housing benefit is costing so much is much of it goes straight into the savings accounts of BTL landlords who are making a packet out of spiralling rents, what we need is more investment in social housing and rent controls
 
The Halk said:
By allowing parents to wash their hands of kids at 18 and the kids to get their own council house and start raising their own brood of benefit dependants don't you see what's going to happen?

Benefits and social housing should not be an aspiration for people, it should be a last resort to ensure people have dignity and a baseline quality of life.

If you socialists got your way everybody would get what they wanted regardless if they worked or not.
Click to expand...
Seriously... playing the socialism card..., why don't you go the whole hog & claim we are communists...

:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
mollymoo said:
As above, I wouldn't dream of being like that so why do you expect me to understand it? Are we really at a stage where people have begun to accept parents being irresponsible?
Click to expand...

People are irresponsible all the time....being a parent doesn't automatically make you responsible.

The point is that while you and I may not countenance such a position or neglect our own responsibilty to our children, it would be naive to assume everyone is like us.....

In those cases, should the child be the barer of the price of their parents irresponsibility?
 
The benefit system should be fair and not something that earns you more money than working. For those who are unable to work through incapacity/long term illness which makes it impossible for them to work there should be no question of them not getting benefits, but those who are healthy and are mobile, benefits shouldn't be a permanent thing, they should be temporary, otherwise its an easy life to fall back on.
 
Dolph said:
There is no evidence that simply giving reckless parents money improves the child's lot in the slightest.

not to mention there is no poverty in the UK that is not created by choice, and we should not continue to enable bad choices.
Click to expand...

Some areas have pretty much zero jobs so you either have the choice of deserted towns or people claiming benefits.
Go and visit the South Wales towns, zero jobs at all.
 
Tough one. I can understand why he wants to do it and a part of me would love seeing the carpet being pulled under from lazy **** ups and dole ******s, but sadly the vulnerable would suffer too.

Interesting proposal but needs a lot of work.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Buy to let landlords and lack of social housing is the reason housing benefit is at the obscene levels its at now anyway.

Rents in the south east are absolutely ridiculous. 2 bedroom flat for an entire months wages at minimum wage? Yeah that system is working out really well.
Click to expand...

While I don't necessarily disagree with the rent situation (renting a room in London is the same price as the mortgage on a 3 bedroom house in the south east...) why would a person on minimum wage want a two bedroom flat?

Only a couple with a child need that, in which case why did they have a child in the first place? If you are without child then why do you need a two bedroom flat? How about renting a room in a shared house or just renting a one bedroom flat?

The biggest problem is overcrowding in the UK as a whole, massive increases in housing and land costs because there is such demand for it. It is one of the reasons housing costs are so ridiculous.

EDIT:

scorza said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-14740324

Interesting article for those who think that homelessness is a problem only for the ****less underclass, and that charities are the cure-all for society's ills.
Click to expand...

And? What is your point? Not everything is about class... Oddly (but as usual) the only people that really care about class are the ones that spend their time campaigning for it to be "scrapped", most other people don't generalise on class..
 
Last edited:
MrMoonX said:
the reason housing benefit is costing so much is much of it goes straight into the savings accounts of BTL landlords who are making a packet out of spiralling rents, what we need is more investment in social housing and rent controls
Click to expand...

I've said this for ages but many on here will disagree, my landlord has become filthy rich on buy to let using revenue gained from housing benefits paid to him, 3 houses, a new merc, nice yacht in the local harbour, I'd much rather that money be going to the government, have more people in cheaper social housing and being able to have a better standard of living and spend more to support the economy.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom