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Defining 'the left'

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Vexr, Jun 29, 2019.

  1. VincentHanna

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    I love the MCU but I wouldn't call Captain Marvel "Shoehorned" when we had 20 previous movies with male leads.

    More like "about time"
     
  2. Dolph

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    Especially as the first appearance of Carol danvers in marvel comics was in 1968, and her first super powered appearance (in which she was also the lead of a new comic run named after her alter-ego) was in 1977...
     
  3. Nasher

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    The BBC are especially bad for it tbh. They virtue signal the crap out of everything now. The most recent Dr. Who for example, the characters dont really work and the writing is so bad. It was so clearly mashed together for these reasons.

    I guess it beats being a peado ring though.
     
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  4. V F

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    How about Charlie's Angels from the 70's? I loved watching that as a kid in the 80s.




    Or Moonlighting with Cybill Shepherd as the lead.


    Heck you even had the Golden Girls as lead roles. How did the past not have issues but we do today?

     
  5. i-bert

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    It didn't need the whole "she's been oppressed by men all her life and now she's freeeeeeeee" though. It wasn't necessary.

    As for The Avengers, most of the Marvel heroes are male though. That's just the way it is. The scene was silly though and also not needed, especially for me anyway. I see women as equals and to see them all thrust into the same shot was a bit degrading for them. They don't need scenes like that.
     
  6. Nasher

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    Yea that was a real cringe moment.
     
  7. krooton

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    If you didn't care, you wouldn't feel like it was being shoved in your face.

    The fact that the presence of gay or black people triggers something in you means that it isn't something you have normalised yet, so it's your problem.
     
  8. BowdonUK

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    I think there is an important distinction between LGBT people, and the lobby representing them. Very few people have an issue with LGBT people these days.

    But they do have a problem when 'the lobby' keeps making an issue out of things that aren't relevant.

    For example if there was a film and there was a gay character in there the chances are we're going to see more of the gay characters sexual relationship. We won't see any of the hetrosexual peoples background relationship. In this example its putting LGBT on a pedestal instead of treating them equally. That's what people are getting sick of, the specialisation of the cause rather than the acceptance of people who are LGBT.
     
  9. Freakbro

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  11. VincentHanna

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    If that is true, then it must be Christians? Only 5% of the population of the UK are Muslims.
     
  12. BowdonUK

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    I've heard of this increase before. It's the younger generation rebelling against the now established forced view that we have to accept anyone. Tolerance can't be forced on people. It only comes through being secure in yourself before you can be more open and accepting of others.

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...-millennials-decline-glaad-survey/1503758001/

    If people don't feel secure in themselves then they will be less tolerant of others. This is the same situation in the gender pronouns thread. The more insecure people feel the less accepting of others they will be.

    Kids need to grow up finding out who they are without people with agendas being forced on them. I never even thought about sex until I got to senior (high) school.

    How many people thought about sex before the age of 12?

    If you did then what years are we talking? I can understand in more recent years its difficult to escape sex, as its everywhere. Back in the day if you wanted to know about sex then you'd have to go out of your way to find out about it. These days we have women gyrating and making sexual actions every night on national tv.
     
  13. Martini1991

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    A lot of people don't have an issue with it as long as they can't see it. That in itself is a problem and isn't acceptance. I used to fall under that category and I changed my views that it wasn't really acceptance but rather ignorance.

    Typical rhetoric is "What they do behind closed doors" and all that. But it's not true acceptance until I acknowledge their normal as my normal. That doesn't mean I've got to start kissing blokes etc though.
     
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  14. BowdonUK

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    When I was a younger man and learning about the ways of the world, I think my first ignorant view was that it was more a sexual fetish than a lifestyle. It's not until I met some LGBT people who wasn't part of any movement that I realised that being LGBT was as normal to them as being hetro was to me. I no longer thought it was a sexual fetish, and just saw them like any other person living their life.

    This is why I think some elements of the LGBT lobby playing up sexual fetishes is actually harmful to the LGBT community. I know this is also an opinion of nearly every person of that community I've spoken to. Some activately avoid Pride because its pushing a stereotype narrative that encourages ignorant opinions. There is no need to have people dressed up in bondage gear, especially when children are around. Just as there is no reason to overly sexualise the LGBT community in general.

    I know the issue is a fine balance, and I do agree with you that some people not familiar with people who are 'different' tend to not like it and move away. But I think also that some people can be ignorant purely because they haven't been exposed to other lifestyles, and seeing any two people slobbering all over each other is going to send the wrong message.

    For the record I'm not a fan of any two people slobbering all over each other... well, unless I'm one of the people slobbering ;)
     
  15. Nasher

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    But people are allowed to follow their own beliefs. Doesnt matter if we agree with it or not as long as they dont violently act on it.

    We arent at the thought police stage yet...
     
  16. Freakbro

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    Sure, I was just disagreeing with Bowdons statement that "Very few people have an issue with LGBT people these days." and linked some data to back up that pov.
     
  17. V F

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    Sometimes it seems we're not far away.