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Never a bad execuse to get married, eh :D

The amount of red tape is amazing:(

Personally, I support them - we don't want any Spaniards in this land*

*But seriously, good luck with sorting it :)
 
I am in a similar situation to your son, but with slightly different circumstances. I was born & bread in the the UK, have an English Birth Certificate etc, but my mother is German and unfortunetly, my father is not mentioned on the Birth Certificate, (My mum knew he was british, but there was reasons why she didn't want him on there). As a result, even though I have left the country on a total of one occasion, and speak only GCSE German, I am a German citizen. I have to apply for citizenship, with a nice admin fee.

Be aware that the red tape may cloud all sense which should be common to all humans.

Burnsy
 
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Oh dont even go there with the beaurocracy of this goverment and the way they treat people who are entitled to an EU passport.

Slightly off subject and to cut a long story short my mother is S African and has lived in this country for 40 years as last (for reasons known only to herself) she has decided to obtain a passport my father is born bred in the UK and by the way she has indefinate leave to stay in the UK but is a current SA passport holder..Not only do have they made her wait for 7 months so far and charged her excessive amounts of money to become not only that but information they have requested from her she has sent only for it to be sent back to her and then told in the same envelope that they haven't received it!
Needless to say my sympathies are with you as now you are in the beauracratic loop you will never get out of it just dont make any plans on your son going anywhere outside of the UK before he is 18!
 
if he was born in england then i dont see it being an issue.
she doesnt sound like she knows what she is talking about and the changes in 2000 she could be referring is the new immigration and asylum laws that changed in 2004.

as you said your partner is classed as an EU national and therefore is treated the same as a british person.
 
Ditch the birth certificate and tell them that he came into the country on the back of a lorry and is pleading political asylum and he’ll get a passport.

There was a story on my local news just before Christmas with a story like this. A Woman from Telford who was in her 50’s was born when her mother copped off with an American G.I in the war if I remember correctly he ended up getting killed in France and never returned. Fast forward 50 odd years down the line this woman decided go on holiday to the US with her husband, children and grandchildren. She had never been out of the UK in her life so has never had the need for a passport she applies for one and a letter comes back saying she has X amount of time to put her case to the home office before she is deported back to America.

That’s British bureaucracy for you. You couldn’t make it up if you tried:rolleyes:.
 
secretspy said:
if he was born in england then i dont see it being an issue.
she doesnt sound like she knows what she is talking about and the changes in 2000 she could be referring is the new immigration and asylum laws that changed in 2004.

as you said your partner is classed as an EU national and therefore is treated the same as a british person.
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I really wish it was that simple, but its really isn't.

I really need to did up all my info that I gathered when I was looking at it.

Burnsy
 
I have just finished filling in these very forms for myself, beloved OH and 2 sons. It does say on the forms that for the children, the mother's details should be given as they are most likely to be the legall guardian in the case of the parents not being married. I feel that this, surely, is sexual discrimination and probably merits a very expensive case being brought before the European Court of Human Rights, earning Mrs. Blair (or similar)loads of dosh.

A friend has just had her froms returned as she had some stray hairs hanging very slightly over her face in the photos.

Oh well. Sigh......
 
Kermit said:
I've just received a phone call from the passport office with regards to my son's application for a british passport (he's only 14 months old) but first some facts.

Me - Im male, british (born & bred), have a British passport
My Partner - She's Spanish (born and bred) and an EU National & has lived and worked in the UK for 8+ years
My Son - Born in Leeds LGI last year
His mother and I aren't married (whats the point when we're happily together 7+ years huh?) but my son's birth certificate clearly states I'm his father (which i am) and she's his mother and his place of birth stated as Leeds.

So thats the facts, out of the way apart from the fact that when filling in the passport application, we used my details as the parent (as Im British), i sent my passport in together with my sons [original] registration of birth and birth certificate.

Now onto the phone call from the passport office mentioning a [potential] problem with the application. It seems because Im not married to my son's mother that all my documents & information count for nothing but if it was visa-versa and I was spanish and my partner British then there wouldn't be a problem (sexist?).

The girl processing the application then asked if my partner had "indefinate leave to remain in the UK" stamped in her passport by the Home Office....doh...she's an EU national dimwit, she's entitled by the treaty of whatever to stay & work in the uk indefinatly and shouldn't need a rubber stamp to prove it. She is incidently registered with the Spanish Consulate as living & working in the UK which i think is more for Spanish electorial reasons than anything else (she gets voting forms for their elections from time to time). The phone call ended with the processor saying she would have to speak to her line manager in the morning as I think she's not entirly clear on whats what herself....apparently some rule or other changed in 2000.

Does anyone have any experience of these matters as Im very annoyed that MY son, born in the UK to me a BRITISH citizen is somehow not automatically regarded as BRITISH. It would probably be easier to get my son a spanish passport at this rate :mad:
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The woman that called you is stupid. Legally, there's NO DIFFERENCE between a British and any other EU national, in any EU country.
 
Think the reason will be that they would assume she may be trying to trap you into marriage so she can stay in this country....it has been known for some people to take money as a bribe to marry people so they can stay you know?!!.....and of course men can't keep it in their trousers so are more susceptible to this form of immigration!!

Get her to leave the country for a week and then come back claiming asylum for religious persecution at home and she will be able to stay as long as she likes and will be given home\tv\food etc.

Every little helps when you have a baby in the house!!
 
Sorry to be nosy, but why don't you get married? If you are happily living together as parents to the kid then it seems unusual that you aren't married. Theres benefits and concessions for married couples as well as easier passport applications you know. Probably a good thing for the child too.

Just a thought.
 
Think the reason will be that they would assume she may be trying to trap you into marriage so she can stay in this country
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This doesn't apply to people from other EU member states - providing that Civil Servants are familiar with the concept, that is. Judging by people's experience, probably not.
 
I don't see why the passport office is asking regarding your status as even if you was married it would not make any differences as the wife would not be a UK citizen. :confused:

So techically you can get married but the passport office will still see your wife as a Spanish national.

Unless your wife decided to take the citizenship test and become a UK citizen, but I don't see why this would affect the passport application for your son??
 
I'm sure that if you provided DNA evidence that you were the father then you could get a UK passport. Short of that they have to assume that the mother is the determining factor.

Otherwise it would be an easy matter for british blokes to make a fortune by 'saying' that they are the fathers of children born to asylum seekers in the UK. Child gets UK passport, mother would have a v.strong case for leave to stay.

Same thing happened to my mate, father of a child with a Swedish mother. Child has to have a Swedish passport....
 
Kermit said:
In the meantime, I guess, I'll just have to ask my partner to visit the spanish embassies website (or call them) and find out what the process is for getting him a spanish passport but I can almost envisage a situation were the Spanish would not only require his mother to be Spanish (sensible that bit) but to also hold a Spanish Birth Certificate :rolleyes:
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You'd be surprised. I went through 3 months of messing around with the UKPA, after that I thought I'd try the German embassy. I had a passport in under a week.

Burnsy
 
Kermit said:
So apparently, my documents & fee are being returned (could take 2 weeks that bit :rolleyes: ) together with an application form for the Certificate of Registration & god knows how much that will cost.
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Be happy regarding that, UKVisas take your money whether its been accepted, declined or anything else under the sun, i'm still waiting to find out if they're going to steal my money. They've made me ashamed to say i'm british with the way they treat non EU nationals who try to do things legally, i keep telling my gf to stash under the eurostar and get a free house with welfare.
 
As far as I know your nationality is, as far as EU nations are concerned, travels down the maternal side of your family if the parents are not married. Consequently because the mother is Spanish, the baby is Spanish. I know an Anglo/Spanish couple in Guatemala that are having the same problem.

You might have noticed that footballers who get dodgy passports always seem to get them though their mothers side, that's because that's how the system works.
 
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