DirectX and OpenGL will start offering low-level access in order to reduce draw overhead

[gpuerrilla]

Plenty of people jump to Greggy poo's defence stating he is just linking an article. You do have a point though Cat and it is up the mod's to be consistent. If they are not then it does question about other things.

Anyway I would just ignore it, have a brew and forget about it.

 

[LtMatt]

Plenty of people jump to Greggy poo's defence stating he is just linking an article. You do have a point though Cat and it is up the mod's to be consistent. If they are not then it does question about other things.

Anyway I would just ignore it, have a brew and forget about it.

+1 and +1.

You have a point but if something was going to be done it would've been done by now.

 

[Gregster]

Can we get back on topic please

 

[triss]

Not sure it matter who started a thread really??
I'm sure the mods will sort it if it needs it report and see

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The worst thing is that AMD respond weeks ago,to people talking about GDC:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-opengl-directx-gdc-2014,26188.html

AMD responds to talk about DirectX and OpenGL being lower in the software stack.

AMD is currently responding to reports that DirectX and OpenGL may allow low-level hardware access. An AMD rep says that the company supports and celebrates a direction for game development that is aligned with AMD’s vision.

The response stems from session descriptions pulled from the DirectX and OpenGl presentations that will take place in GDC 2014. According to one session on Direct3D, presenters will discuss future improvements in Direct3D that will allow developers an “unprecedented level of hardware control and reduced CPU rendering overhead across a broad ecosystem of hardware”.

“You asked us to do more,” the DirectX session reads. “You asked us to bring you even closer to the metal and to do so on an unparalleled assortment of hardware. You also asked us for better tools so that you can squeeze every last drop of performance out of your PC, tablet, phone and console.”

For OpenGL, we have this session description: “Graham Sellers (AMD), Tim Foley (Intel), Cass Everitt (NVIDIA) and John McDonald (NVIDIA) will present high-level concepts available in today's OpenGL implementations that radically reduce driver overhead--by up to 10x or more. The techniques presented will apply to all major vendors and are suitable for use across multiple platforms.”

In a way, AMD’s Mantle has pushed the Khronos group (OpenGL) and Microsoft (DirectX) to take the “lower level” route. However the question is: what will happen to Mantle then? Will developers no longer need Mantle with DirectX and OpenGL hovering at the same level in the software stack?

“AMD would like you to know that it supports and celebrates a direction for game development that is aligned with AMD’s vision of lower-level, ‘closer to the metal’ graphics APIs for PC gaming,” reports an AMD rep. “While industry experts expect this to take some time, developers can immediately leverage efficient API design using Mantle, and AMD is very excited to share the future of our own API with developers at this year’s Game Developers Conference.”

“We’ll be sure to share more news and detail with you closer to GDC,” the rep adds.

What will be interesting to see is where all three will go from here. Will Mantle and DirectX somehow merge ideas so that AMD gamers still get the Mantle benefits when using DirectX to run a game? As AMD points out, we’ll find out more at GDC 2014.

That was two days after the article I linked to.

That wccftech article on purpose ignored multiple indications of AMD being at the session with Nvidia and Intel.

The mods have merged multiple thread when one predates another.

Not in this case,especially with a 9 day difference and more importantly an OP which is half truth.

Plus the person who posted it posted in the earlier thread,more than once.

Absolutely fantastic.Not.

 

[Rusty0611]

Plenty of people jump to Greggy poo's defence stating he is just linking an article. You do have a point though Cat and it is up the mod's to be consistent. If they are not then it does question about other things.

Anyway I would just ignore it, have a brew and forget about it.

That's not jumping to his defence it's just stating it how it is. Greg is ugly enough and most definitely old enough to fight his own battles. Alas my point was more about the constant moaning about how ones thread hasn't taken precedence.

And let's be honest if the mods were being consistent in merging a lot of the mantle threads would have been closed too. It's not a perfect science.

 

[Gregster]

Greg is ugly enough and most definitely old enough to fight his own battles. Alas my point was more about the constant moaning about how ones thread hasn't taken precedence.

Quoted for truth

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That's not jumping to his defence it's just stating it how it is. Greg is ugly enough and most definitely old enough to fight his own battles. Alas my point was more about the constant moaning about how ones thread hasn't taken precedence.

And let's be honest if the mods were being consistent in merging a lot of the mantle threads would have been closed too. It's not a perfect science.

Its not about precedence.

Its about how the OP is 9 days older and the fact it on purpose twists GDC2014 into some Nvidia/Intel event. The OP posted in that older thread,so you push it anyway you want,but he knew very well when he started this thread.

Except the spin is deflated by multiple sources saying AMD is a very willing part of GDC2014 in a session with both Intel and Nvidia.

Its just a troll,sensationalist pile of rubbish article done by wccftech to gain more page hits. They have on several occasions twisted information and taken credit from others.

You do realise he waited a week after the "article" was published to post it,and that was 9 days after the original thread which he himself posted in.

 

[Rusty0611]

We heard you the first time Cat. And I still don't really care. Email a mod.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I have heard you the first time Cat. And I still don't really care. Email a mod.

Of course you say that. It fits you that the OP is distorted on purpose,instead of the real facts.

The fact that you are making repeated excuses for the spin,indicates you are trying to defend it and that you do care.

If you didn't care,you would have not bothered answering then would you??

This is nothing but a troll thread with distorted reporting in the OP. Spin more in defence of it.

 

[Rusty0611]

Of course you say that. It fits you that the OP is distorted on purpose,instead of the real facts.

Why does it fit me?

The fact that you are making repeated excuses for the spin,indicates you are trying to defend it and that you do care.

Where am I making excuses for the spin?

If you didn't care,you would have not bothered answering then would you??

I made a point that your continued whinging about this thread taking precedence over your own wasn't really getting you anywhere. That's where my point starts and ends. Everything else you're going on about is your own invention.

This is nothing but a troll thread with distorted reporting in the OP. Spin more in defence of it.

As above - show me my spin on the contents of the article please?

For the third time: email the mods if you're that bothered that this thread has not been merged with your own.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Why does it fit me?



Where am I making excuses for the spin?



I made a point that your continued whinging about this thread taking precedence over your own wasn't really getting you anywhere. That's where my point starts and ends.



As above - show me my spin on the contents of the article please?

Spin more,and deflect from the distorted OP. It seems you like distortion of facts,to stay unreported.

 

[Final8y]

@CAT-THE-FIFTH
Don't waste your time.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18585435&page=8

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Cat, as you can see, I didn't Troll as you put it and did report it exactly how it was. I didn't sensationalise anything and didn't even comment in the OP to save any misreadings.

Take it up with the Mods if you have a problem with me.

Which is funny how you responded repeatedly in the other thread,which was saying the same thing.

You knew very well AMD was part of the session as I quoted it in the other one.

Yet you waited until the other one dropped off the front page,then started a new thread which conveniently ignored that AMD was part of the same session. That wccftech "article" was a week old already when you posted it.

By then AMD had even made an official PR announcement that they would be a GDC2014.

If you aiming for true reporting of the facts,a simple modification of the OP and title with all the information would suffice.

There are multiple articles you can quote from.

@CAT-THE-FIFTH
Don't waste your time.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18585435&page=8

Probably,but if happens there are more serious questions which need to be asked.

 

[Boomstick777]

This is awesome stuff. Whatever partnership AMD and Microsoft have regarding Direct X12 / Mantle can only mean better performance for us.

 

[Final8y]

This is awesome stuff. Whatever partnership AMD and Microsoft have regarding Direct X12 / Mantle can only mean better performance for us.

+1

 

[Rusty0611]

Spin more,and deflect from the distorted OP. It seems you like distortion of facts,to stay unreported.

Exactly. /sarcasm

Make false accusation, realise that it's false as there's no evidence of the accusations made so completely ignore the request for evidence of my alleged 'spinning' and accuse again of the same thing. Good one old boy.

Email the mods to get the threads merged buddy.

@CAT-THE-FIFTH
Don't waste your time.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18585435&page=8

Difference being CAT isn't trolling so it isn't likely to go the same way.

 

[Gregster]

Which is funny how you responded repeatedly in the other thread,which was saying the same thing.

You knew very well AMD was part of the session as I quoted it in the other one.

Yet you waited until the other one dropped off the front page,then started a new thread which conveniently ignored that AMD was part of the same session.

If you aiming for true reporting of the facts,a simple modification of the OP and title with all the information would suffice.

I see a thread on Wccftech, which I found interesting and reported it here. I didn't deem it the same as the thread you created and I still don't. I copied and pasted, so as to not put my spin on it and stand to be lambasted for Trolling/Fanboyism's.

Why are you still crying about this, as they are 2 different threads.

Give it up for goodness sake.

 

[gpuerrilla]

That's not jumping to his defence it's just stating it how it is. Greg is ugly enough and most definitely old enough to fight his own battles. Alas my point was more about the constant moaning about how ones thread hasn't taken precedence.

And let's be honest if the mods were being consistent in merging a lot of the mantle threads would have been closed too. It's not a perfect science.

It's not Greg I was pertaining to on this one, he was somehow included as part of the forum ruleset issue. Getting personal with greg is not on my list of things constructive to do in life and he can certainly fight his own battles - all that does is highlight people tend to group up on here which I find outstanding.

I was more intrigued as to how one person is just acting as an RSS feed (well lots of people do this) and gets credibility, yet in another thread calls people for 'adding nothing' that brings a smile to ones face.

Cat still has a point, but that has now been done I think so we should all move on and have a mass bear hug so it doesn't progress into something silly.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I see a thread on Wccftech, which I found interesting and reported it here. I didn't deem it the same as the thread you created and I still don't. I copied and pasted, so as to not put my spin on it and stand to be lambasted for Trolling/Fanboyism's.

Why are you still crying about this, as they are 2 different threads.

Give it up for goodness sake.

It conveniently has to be one with the following title:

"DirectX and OpenGL Claiming to have solved CPU Overhead – If True, Mantle is Dead On Arrival"

One week after it was published too.

Plus no they are not different,since you are quoting the same thing from GDC 2014.

At the very least change the OP so it reflects the reality.

You found the one article which ignores AMD being part of GDC 2014.

Lets see the articles talking about GDC 2014 before the 29th of February:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7818/low-level-graphics-api-developments-gdc-2014

Mentions AMD.

http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/DirectX-12-and-new-OpenGL-challenge-AMD-Mantle-coming-GDC

Mentions AMD.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-opengl-directx-gdc-2014,26188.html

Mentions AMD.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/directx-direct3d-opengl-mantle,26167.html

Mentions AMD.

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/direc...el-access-to-reduce-draw-overhead/#more-62436

Mentions AMD.

https://developer.nvidia.com/content/gdc-2014

Mentions AMD. NVIDIA mentions AMD at the session.

All published in February 2014.

You found the one article,which does not mention AMD. The planets must have aligned for that one,especially since NVIDIA themselves mentioned AMD being part of the session.

Yet,you really are trying to feign ignorance. Yes,OFC.

I am entirely mistaken it seems.