DISARM the world so they cant fight back!

his eugenic sideshow is another debate. my original point was hitler was the last person to speak of a new world and millions of people died because of it.

now this phrase "new world" is on the scene again and has been for a long time. to get to this new world they are asking people to give up their only protection. it just doesnt wash with me.

if you think this is just to tighten control and that it will stop at that then fair enough, your allowed your own opinion.

your only protection :confused: I do not own, and have no intention of owning, a fire arm. and I in no way feel I am not protecting myself :confused: I don't know what circles you move in, but at no point can I see making it harder for fire arms to get onto the streets will make the world less safe. my impression is less guns means less threat :confused: and if you are talking about it increasing the amount of illegal fire arms in circulation, well, sorry to disappoint you, but if people are prepared to break the law, I don't think how imposing stricter guide lines will make them think twice about breaking the law.
 
I completely agree with jakesnake here, you all don't understand what he's talking about! Hitler was a shining example to the world, he created the UN!

In other news, Bigfoot sighted again.
 
im quoting Hitler because he was the last person to preach of a new world and look how that turned out.

In looking for a sound intellectual source to back up your arguments with an appropriate quote, you appear to have slightly lost your way. I do think weaving Hitler and Superman in is a neat trick though. Next week Stalin and Batman.
 
Russia, China, France -- with its new Socialist government -- Britain and the Obama administration are writing the treaty behind closed doors. Yet even if the final treaty is being kept under wraps, we still have a pretty good idea of some of the requirements that will be in it.

"The treaty will give Americans yet another insight into the types of gun control laws that President Obama really supports. The good news is that the US Senate will almost certainly prevent him from getting the treaty adopted here.
Most rest of the world won’t be so lucky."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012...gun-laws-obama-really-supports/#ixzz21l79J0JX



the new world is coming. i hope you enjoy bondage :D

What's really funny is that Obama has one of the strongest pro gun records and stances in American Politics, but the gun lobbies love this kind of stuff because gun sales sky rocket when this sort of nonsense is reported on.

How dumb does that make you feel OP?
 
Self-defense is a human right. Having a gun is a human right.

The only thing you have the right to is to stand and bang, if you are too much of a wimp to do so and need a gun, and you can't get one, then you lose the right to do anything the guy who will stand and bang wants you to lose the right to, that includes not being able to get a gun.

Wimps need guns in the UK to feel safe.
 
One thing I don't get.

Why go rednecks think that a few office workers/farmers & inbreds with rifles & semi-automatics will be able to stop a government with tanks, missiles, strategic missiles & drones if they tried to take over/oppress the population?.
 
The only thing you have the right to is to stand and bang, if you are too much of a wimp to do so and need a gun, and you can't get one, then you lose the right to do anything the guy who will stand and bang wants you to lose the right to, that includes not being able to get a gun.

Wimps need guns in the UK to feel safe.

Can someone please translate this in to IQ>70 speech?
 
One thing I don't get.

Why go rednecks think that a few office workers/farmers & inbreds with rifles & semi-automatics will be able to stop a government with tanks, missiles, strategic missiles & drones if they tried to take over/oppress the population?.

Ask the IRA.
 
I get wind of the U.S. planning on taxing guns and regulating ownership similar to how we have it here.

:eek: but that takes away our god given right to defend ourselves? the OP said so :( I am forever whipping out my gun and pointing it at people I don't like the look of coz im scared they might shout at me.
 
NO SURRENDER!

Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today. The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since. In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner.

The high qualities and deserts of these people, were they not otherwise manifest, gain glory enough from this: that the King of kings and Lord of lords, our Lord Jesus Christ, after His Passion and Resurrection, called them, even though settled in the uttermost parts of the earth, almost the first to His most holy faith. Nor would He have them confirmed in that faith by merely anyone but by the first of His Apostles -- by calling, though second or third in rank -- the most gentle Saint Andrew, the Blessed Peter's brother, and desired him to keep them under his protection as their patron forever.

The Most Holy Fathers your predecessors gave careful heed to these things and bestowed many favours and numerous privileges on this same kingdom and people, as being the special charge of the Blessed Peter's brother. Thus our nation under their protection did indeed live in freedom and peace up to the time when that mighty prince the King of the English, Edward, the father of the one who reigns today, when our kingdom had no head and our people harboured no malice or treachery and were then unused to wars or invasions, came in the guise of a friend and ally to harass them as an enemy. The deeds of cruelty, massacre, violence, pillage, arson, imprisoning prelates, burning down monasteries, robbing and killing monks and nuns, and yet other outrages without number which he committed against our people, sparing neither age nor sex, religion nor rank, no one could describe nor fully imagine unless he had seen them with his own eyes.

But from these countless evils we have been set free, by the help of Him Who though He afflicts yet heals and restores, by our most tireless Prince, King and Lord, the Lord Robert. He, that his people and his heritage might be delivered out of the hands of our enemies, met toil and fatigue, hunger and peril, like another Macabaeus or Joshua and bore them cheerfully. Him, too, divine providence, his right of succession according to or laws and customs which we shall maintain to the death, and the due consent and assent of us all have made our Prince and King. To him, as to the man by whom salvation has been wrought unto our people, we are bound both by law and by his merits that our freedom may be still maintained, and by him, come what may, we mean to stand.

Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.

Therefore it is, Reverend Father and Lord, that we beseech your Holiness with our most earnest prayers and suppliant hearts, inasmuch as you will in your sincerity and goodness consider all this, that, since with Him Whose Vice-Regent on earth you are there is neither weighing nor distinction of Jew and Greek, Scotsman or Englishman, you will look with the eyes of a father on the troubles and privation brought by the English upon us and upon the Church of God. May it please you to admonish and exhort the King of the English, who ought to be satisfied with what belongs to him since England used once to be enough for seven kings or more, to leave us Scots in peace, who live in this poor little Scotland, beyond which there is no dwelling-place at all, and covet nothing but our own. We are sincerely willing to do anything for him, having regard to our condition, that we can, to win peace for ourselves.

This truly concerns you, Holy Father, since you see the savagery of the heathen raging against the Christians, as the sins of Christians have indeed deserved, and the frontiers of Christendom being pressed inward every day; and how much it will tarnish your Holiness's memory if (which God forbid) the Church suffers eclipse or scandal in any branch of it during your time, you must perceive. Then rouse the Christian princes who for false reasons pretend that they cannot go to help of the Holy Land because of wars they have on hand with their neighbours. The real reason that prevents them is that in making war on their smaller neighbours they find quicker profit and weaker resistance. But how cheerfully our Lord the King and we too would go there if the King of the English would leave us in peace, He from Whom nothing is hidden well knows; and we profess and declare it to you as the Vicar of Christ and to all Christendom.

But if your Holiness puts too much faith in the tales the English tell and will not give sincere belief to all this, nor refrain from favouring them to our prejudice, then the slaughter of bodies, the perdition of souls, and all the other misfortunes that will follow, inflicted by them on us and by us on them, will, we believe, be surely laid by the Most High to your charge.

To conclude, we are and shall ever be, as far as duty calls us, ready to do your will in all things, as obedient sons to you as His Vicar; and to Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit the maintenance of our cause, csating our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought.

May the Most High preserve you to his Holy Church in holiness and health and grant you length of days.


The Declaration of Arbroath (English Translation)
 
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