Do PHEVs charge whilst driving?

[jpaul]

Hybrid sales were up last month

it's relative V
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/11/3...rope-were-fully-electric-vehicles-in-october/
https://www.fleetalliance.co.uk/news/phev-sales-fall-30-following-government-u-turn-on-funding/

up - but single digit ... following earlier 6 months.

lunchtime walk - saw a new 71 passat grey gte , replacing older gte they'd had .. wondering if there are some good deals, but, golf GTE has had amongst better residuals

 

[mattyg]

I can switch the X5 to make sure it retains a certain level of battery power. So say its depleted I can tell it to charge the battery up.. But wow it takes some hit to the MPG. Drops by at least 10mpg. Better to put it in ECO mode and let it charge whilst braking and coasting

 

[Ahleckz]

Im reading in AMOnline that the e-corsa has had a price decrease of £3000 today due to the change in the PiCG. So, should be similar cost as to what you were quoted before.

 

[Haggisman]

Are any using an engine purely to charge the batteries, surely you could make the engine run really efficiently.

The car you're looking for is the Vauxhall Ampera/Chevy Volt. Unfortunately it no longer exists.

 

[Greebo]

it's relative V
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/11/3...rope-were-fully-electric-vehicles-in-october/
https://www.fleetalliance.co.uk/news/phev-sales-fall-30-following-government-u-turn-on-funding/

up - but single digit ... following earlier 6 months.

lunchtime walk - saw a new 71 passat grey gte , replacing older gte they'd had .. wondering if there are some good deals, but, golf GTE has had amongst better residuals

But still 8% while ICE cars dropped what, 20%?

Point is PHEV market is still growing, albeit not as much as BEVS, and almost every manufacturer has one of more PHEVS in their range at the moment. Its easy for them to do and uses up their ICE engines.

 

[TheVoice]

Are any using an engine purely to charge the batteries, surely you could make the engine run really efficiently.

The new black cabs do.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

The new black cabs do.

it’s a range extender/petrol generator and it’s not connected to the wheels at all.

It’s technically a plug in hybrid like the BMW i3 with the range extender but it’s nothing like the drivetrain found in an outlander or Prius.

 

[TheVoice]

No they don’t, it’s a range extender/petrol generator and it’s not connected to the wheels at all.

It’s technically a plug in hybrid like the BMW i3 with the range extender but it’s nothing like the drivetrain found in an outlander or Prius.

Which is what they asked.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Which is what they asked.

Hence the ninja edit, that was not so ninja

 

[Bar]

My Hyundai Ioniq is still not a bad price - its gone up (above £300pcm now) but still reckon its good value:

https://www.capitalvehicle.co.uk/ca...-premium-5dr-dct-start-stop-257873-0136080000

 

[jpaul]

nissans rex next year https://www.motor.es/noticias/nissan-qashqai-e-power-fotos-espia-202183021.html

Nissan notes that e-Power technology is the ideal transition between internal combustion engine vehicles and 100% electric . The powertrain of the new Qashqai e-Power consists of a 154 hp gasoline engine, a power generator, an inverter and a 140 kW (190 hp) electric motor. However, the gasoline engine is used only as a generator of electricity. That is, the wheels are powered exclusively by the electric motor.

hope it's not like note e-power - just 1.5kwh battery, so home charging meaningless
https://www.roadandtrack.com/review...e-power-nismo-s-is-the-future-of-hot-hatches/

 

[paradigm]

I can switch the X5 to make sure it retains a certain level of battery power. So say its depleted I can tell it to charge the battery up.. But wow it takes some hit to the MPG. Drops by at least 10mpg. Better to put it in ECO mode and let it charge whilst braking and coasting

You can't do that with the X1 Xdrive25e, no "charge" mode, only Max eDrive, Auto Hybrid and Battery Hold. The wife's 2018 Passat GTE has a charge mode however.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

nissans rex next year https://www.motor.es/noticias/nissan-qashqai-e-power-fotos-espia-202183021.html


hope it's not like note e-power - just 1.5kwh battery, so home charging meaningless
https://www.roadandtrack.com/review...e-power-nismo-s-is-the-future-of-hot-hatches/

I just don’t see this style of PHEV as being something worth investing in anymore. 5 years ago maybe but I just can’t see these vehicles being successful anymore.

Others have been there, got the T-shirt and ditched it. By the time you put a big enough battery in the car to give it a meaningful electric range and power output, and then put in a big enough petrol engine to power said car once it runs out of battery, you might as well have just gone full BEV.

The two of the three companies that took this approach have already ditched it (BMW and GM) and the third is a commercial vehicle that businesses are forced to buy to continue to operate (London Taxi).

 

[paradigm]

The two of the three companies that took this approach have already ditched it (BMW and GM) and the third is a commercial vehicle that businesses are forced to buy to continue to operate (London Taxi).

Fisker (Karma) also went REX to begin with, and have now gone BEV.

 

[jpaul]

yes - as I said I think, even phev's are eol, versus bev .

Maybe there is an ulterior motive by nissan - continuing use of engine production - how compact & light is a 1.5 petrol engine just generating power versus, much more battery volume. (if they haven't got lft technology, or eu import contents taxes will kill them) ,
legislation in the usa I believe cap the engine(e:tank) capacity so rex have a limited range on just fuel (which may explain the xdrive25e charging behaviour) so that the battery is not just a decoration, and the tax reduction is justified, which may play in, too.

 

[Clarkey]

You can't do that with the X1 Xdrive25e, no "charge" mode, only Max eDrive, Auto Hybrid and Battery Hold. The wife's 2018 Passat GTE has a charge mode however.

Battery hold mode is what has been described. It will hold the set battery level and if you're below then it charges it up.

 

[paradigm]

Battery hold mode is what has been described. It will hold the set battery level and if you're below then it charges it up.

I assumed battery hold held the battery at the current SoC. That's how it works in the VAG PHEVs.

I.e set off with 90% SoC, place car in battery hold, it won't use any battery at all, only engine power and alternator electricity. Leaving you with 90% battery for whenever you want to switch back to either pure electric mode, or auto-hybrid.

Battery charge mode (in the Passat) would charge the battery whilst driving, beyond whatever the SoC was when engaging the mode. In theory it could take the car from 0-100% SoC if the journey was sufficiently long.

 

[jpaul]

It's a legislation thing - if you are using petrol in perpetuity to charge the battery to 100%, you end up with more emissions than intended in the tax categorisation
- not sure whether passat preceeded that.

e: Apr 14, 2021
Is this the end of plug-in hybrid sales in the EU?

 

[Jonnycoupe]

The car you're looking for is the Vauxhall Ampera/Chevy Volt. Unfortunately it no longer exists.

and they added a mechanical clutch late on for direct mechanical drive as it would give 10% better efficiency in charge depleted state at motorway speed than moving electricity around.

 

[cuke2u]

Anyone who thinks they are saving the planet by purchasing a PHEV needs to think again
BBC News - Plug-in hybrids are a 'wolf in sheep's clothing'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54170207
It is all just a folly and purely electric cars aren't really the solution either and should not sorely be the focus of attention
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/opini...ust-consider-how-we-generate-electricity-them