Do women have the same rights as men?

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Following on from a comment I made in another thread, can there be such thing as a feminist in this day and age?

I'll explain. A feminist is someone who pushes for equal rights for women. But since legally women have the same rights as men (more rights in some cases) can a feminist really exist?

Kitten caboodle made a good point about how women on average earn less than men for doing the same job. I'm pretty sure that's true. But is it legal for a company to pay a woman less for the same job? I'm guessing it's not. Therefore it's not so much an issue of women's rights, it's more an issue of making companies comply with the law.

The only other things I can think of where women possibly don't have the same rights as men is in the military. As far as I know there are restrictions on what women can do.

Can anyone else think of examples of women having less rights than men? Or give a bit more info on one of the points I mentioned.
 
Psyk said:
Can anyone else think of examples of women having less rights than men? Or give a bit more info on one of the points I mentioned.
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Yup in the firebrigade women do not have to meet the same physical fitness requirements as men. Hence they do not have the right to be as suitable for the job.... oh wait.... that's more rights....
 
All lesbians are feminists no? A quick google search for lesbians seems to suggest feminism is still going strong, though it has to be said those feminists sure are angry with each other! They keep attacking each other with rubber swords?! :confused:
 
Royality said:
All lesbians are feminists no? A quick google search for lesbians seems to suggest feminism is still going strong, though it has to be said those feminists sure are angry with each other! They keep attacking each other with rubber swords?! :confused:
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LOL.
 
Royality said:
All lesbians are feminists no? A quick google search for lesbians seems to suggest feminism is still going strong, though it has to be said those feminists sure are angry with each other! They keep attacking each other with rubber swords?! :confused:
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rofl!

Men can join the military at 16, whereas women have to be 17 is one difference I can think of.

Something I've never really known is are they allowed to fight on the front lines?
 
Psyk said:
Kitten caboodle made a good point about how women on average earn less than men for doing the same job. I'm pretty sure that's true. But is it legal for a company to pay a woman less for the same job? I'm guessing it's not. Therefore it's not so much an issue of women's rights, it's more an issue of making companies comply with the law.
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When all things are equal (time worked, number of years working without breaks etc) the numbers are, in most cases, equal, as it is now.

What these surveys tend to forget is things like career breaks (which tend to affect pay rates and promotion prospects), part time working, overtime etc that create differences in many sectors.

If you have two people that have been 'with the company' for 10 years, but one has worked for 10 years straight, and the other has worked for 7 during the 10 years, who is more likely to have had promotion/pay rise opportunities every year?
 
i dont know about anyone else, but im not entirely up for this whole equality thing... im pretty happy to accept that a lot of men are stronger than me, that they might be better at some things whereas i might be better at other things. its just a fact that we are different, that some people just frustratingly dont seem to understand. i dont mind doing cleaning and cooking!! (just not 24/7, obviously :p) im not saying women cant be successful, they obviously can- would you want to mess with a high profile business woman? i think not. im too tired to go on about it anymore, but all of the above is my valid contricbution to the thread. night x
 
Dolph said:
When all things are equal (time worked, number of years working without breaks etc) the numbers are, in most cases, equal, as it is now.

What these surveys tend to forget is things like career breaks (which tend to affect pay rates and promotion prospects), part time working, overtime etc that create differences in many sectors.

If you have two people that have been 'with the company' for 10 years, but one has worked for 10 years straight, and the other has worked for 7 during the 10 years, who is more likely to have had promotion/pay rise opportunities every year?
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That's pretty much the way I see it.

Equal work/time put into the job (not the same as years they have been in the company*) = equal pay.

It's a bit like the womens tennis arguement a while back, where if memory serves some of the female players were arguing it was sexist they didn't get the same prize as the men, despite the fact that at the time they were (if memory serves) playing 3 sets rather than the 5 the men were.

I agree it's a bit unfair on women who want to have a family, as they cannot work the same time as men traditionally can - but these days they have the option of their partner staying home for more of the time after the baby is born (thus reducing time out of the work place) if they really want to have both.


*As you say two people could be at the same job for the same number of years, but one having been "in the workplace" for 8 years (with two years taken off, but their "current" job held - possibly missing promotions whilst away), the other for 10 years without missing any significant time.
 
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i dont know about anyone else, but im not entirely up for this whole equality thing... im pretty happy to accept that a lot of men are stronger than me, that they might be better at some things whereas i might be better at other things. its just a fact that we are different, that some people just frustratingly dont seem to understand. i dont mind doing cleaning and cooking!! (just not 24/7, obviously :p) im not saying women cant be successful, they obviously can- would you want to mess with a high profile business woman? i think not. im too tired to go on about it anymore, but all of the above is my valid contricbution to the thread. night x
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I think that's an important point. Sometimes it's reasonable that women should have less "rights" than men, purely because of physical differences. I think the military one is a good example of that. A physically fit, well trained man is just going to be better at some things than a woman can be. Although saying that, if a woman could prove she can do the job just as well the men then it would seem unfair not to let her fight just because she's female.

Another thing about the workplace is that if a woman wants a kid, she'll have to take some time off work, even if her partner looks after the child. A man of course can have a child without taking a single day off work (although I don't suppose he'd be a very good father :p )
 
Psyk said:
Sometimes it's reasonable that women should have less "rights" than men, purely because of physical differences. I think the military one is a good example of that. A physically fit, well trained man is just going to be better at some things than a woman can be. Although saying that, if a woman could prove she can do the job just as well the men then it would seem unfair not to let her fight just because she's female.
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i think they don't let women fight on the front lines because of the possible distraction? i might be, and probably am, wrong tho.

B@Th*nG
 
Psyk said:
Kitten caboodle made a good point about how women on average earn less than men for doing the same job. I'm pretty sure that's true.
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You are? I'm not.

edit - Dolph's given a rather fuller reply to this :)
 
Yeah Dolph's post made a lot of sense.

I suppose women on the front lines could be distracting for the men, but surely if they were properly trained that wouldn't happen?
 
Royality said:
All lesbians are feminists no? A quick google search for lesbians seems to suggest feminism is still going strong, though it has to be said those feminists sure are angry with each other! They keep attacking each other with rubber swords?! :confused:
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lmao !

i cant post anything serious after that classic
 
Royality said:
All lesbians are feminists no? A quick google search for lesbians seems to suggest feminism is still going strong, though it has to be said those feminists sure are angry with each other! They keep attacking each other with rubber swords?! :confused:
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Quality! :D

Just spat a mouth of Coca Cola all over the notebook! :o
 
Psyk said:
I suppose women on the front lines could be distracting for the men, but surely if they were properly trained that wouldn't happen?
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For a lot of men, the natural instinct will be to do reckless things to help a woman in danger when, had it been another man, they have been a little more level-headed.
 
Trouble is, most women will have babies at some point, leaving the company in potential turmoil for small companies, or in the case of large companies having to pay to train someone else up. Then when they come back, they generally don't have as much experience as a man.

I think thats the main reason, women on the whole are paid less. As well as a few companies stuck in the stoneage.
 
Women can't take as many wounds as men and then theres the problem of adding an OBGYN to the medical staff, hormonal issues\periods etc etc.
 
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