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Poll: Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

  • Yes, Vega 7nm will be competitive

    Votes: 21 9.9%

  • Yes, but we will have to wait until Navi

    Votes: 55 25.8%

  • Yes, but it's going to be at least 3 "generations" of GPU

    Votes: 47 22.1%

  • No, NVIDIA have too much of a lead to overcome

    Votes: 74 34.7%

  • No, Intel's GPUs will be a significant threat when released

    Votes: 16 7.5%
  • Total voters
    213
  • Poll closed .
People on here championing a dominant AMD are morons. Like a dominant AMD would be any different from a dominant Nvidia/Intel. AMD, like any other firm only care about profit.

Preferably, you want all 3 firms competing. Not one dominating the other. It's just bad for the consumer.
 
Rock_n_Roll said:
People on here championing a dominant AMD are morons. Like a dominant AMD would be any different from a dominant Nvidia/Intel. AMD, like any other firm only care about profit.

Preferably, you want all 3 firms competing. Not one dominating the other. It's just bad for the consumer.
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Which is where Intel comes in, I think its going to be at least 5 years and a new architecture (no cooking of GCN) before we see AMD in the high end game again.
 
Rock_n_Roll said:
People on here championing a dominant AMD are morons. Like a dominant AMD would be any different from a dominant Nvidia/Intel. AMD, like any other firm only care about profit.
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False. AMD like any corporation has the goal to grow faster. But they are nowhere near as bad. If they cared only about profit (which is nonsense), they wouldn't support open standards like OpenCL, OpenGL, Mantle, Vulkan, Freesync, which support open and transparent competition.

And once again - nvidia and Intel colour representation is false.
 
ok accuse me of trolling all you like but since when was Mantle ever an open standard?
Freesync isn't either for that matter, it is AMD's own brand name for the adaptive Sync VRR technology, which NVidia also use on their laptops.
So basically out of the 5 things you've listed NVidia also use all but 1 which was never an open standard anyway. Nice one.:rolleyes:
 
4K8KW10 said:
False. AMD like any corporation has the goal to grow faster. But they are nowhere near as bad. If they cared only about profit (which is nonsense), they wouldn't support open standards like OpenCL, OpenGL, Mantle, Vulkan, Freesync, which support open and transparent competition.

And once again - nvidia and Intel colour representation is false.
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Nonsense. Give any of these companies an inch and they'll take everything they can get. AMD would be no different. You sound like you were born yesterday for believing otherwise.

These firms aren't your friend.
 
bru said:
ok accuse me of trolling all you like but since when was Mantle ever an open standard?
Freesync isn't either for that matter, it is AMD's own brand name for the adaptive Sync VRR technology, which NVidia also use on their laptops.
So basically out of the 5 things you've listed NVidia also use all but 1 which was never an open standard anyway. Nice one.:rolleyes:
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Mantle was open standard.
GPUOpen the equivalent to Gimpworks is open standard.
Freesync is open standard.

Nvidia Gsync on laptops is a failed attempt to screw over customers through marketing, because it doesn't actually work properly without FPS cap on the drivers.
(I have a Predator 15 do go down that route to argue because I can write an essay about the failures on that system).
 
Mantle's SDK was never released to the public, so it never actually became an open standard.

GSync on laptops doesn't use the GSYnc module, so it uses the same Adaptive Sync open standard which FreeSync uses.

@Panos sorry to hear you haven't had a good experience with GSync on a laptop, although their are an awful lot of people out there that have.
 
Also FreeSync isn't open standard, it is AMD's proprietary name for their use of the Adaptive Sync open standard.

Go read AMD's own FreeSync FAQ.
How are DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync and Radeon™ FreeSync technology different?
DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient DisplayPort feature that enables real-time adjustment of monitor refresh rates required by technologies like Radeon™ FreeSync technology. Radeon™ FreeSync technology is a unique AMD hardware/software solution that utilizes DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync protocols to enable user-facing benefits: smooth, tearing-free and low-latency gameplay and video. Users are encouraged to read this interview to learn more.
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https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/free-sync-faq
 
Panos said:
Mantle was open standard.
GPUOpen the equivalent to Gimpworks is open standard.
Freesync is open standard.

Nvidia Gsync on laptops is a failed attempt to screw over customers through marketing, because it doesn't actually work properly without FPS cap on the drivers.
(I have a Predator 15 do go down that route to argue because I can write an essay about the failures on that system).
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Mantle was a proprietary API.
 
Panos said:
Nvidia Gsync on laptops is a failed attempt to screw over customers through marketing, because it doesn't actually work properly without FPS cap on the drivers.
(I have a Predator 15 do go down that route to argue because I can write an essay about the failures on that system).
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I have a GL502VM and works fine, the laptop must sense the hostility you hold towards its GPU manufacturer :p
 
Martini1991 said:
And in reality ;
Mantle's a dead API which only supported AMD GCN cards and Intel was rejected when they inquired.
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Which has gone on to become vulkan which is supported by all the major industry players.


I think we've gone far enough off topic however, and seems like a few people are only in this thread to stick the knife in, or put the defensive shield up.
 
Armageus said:
Which has gone on to become vulkan which is supported by all the major industry players.


I think we've gone far enough off topic however, and seems like a few people are only in this thread to stick the knife in, or put the defensive shield up.
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Yes quite agree and sorry for my part in that.

So back on topic, can AMD catch back up?

Looking at the poll that has been added to this thread, it would seem that the "No, NVIDIA have too much of a lead to overcome" is leading the way with 35.8% of the vote, which quite surprised me, as I feel as do 21.9% of the other voters, that yes AMD will catch up but it is going to take a while yet. If you also count the other 26.4% that think it might happen with Navi then it is 48.32 or nearly half of the 201 voters, who do all agree that AMD will be able to catch back up we just don't agree on how long it might take.

So with that sorted, we can ask ourselves, just what AMD need to do to catch back up. Now of course it would be easy to just say, just build and release some competitive GPU's. But I feel there is more to it than that.

Obviously GPU designs don't make themselves and we all know that AMD have been having a hard time of it financially. Now hopefully the success AMD are having with Ryzen and their other Zen based CPU's will give them a nice cash boost to put into GPU design and that will take time to come to fruition, which is why I voted "Yes but it will take 3 generations". As AMD have shown their Polaris based 500 series is easily a match for the lower end competitions GPU's and their latest Vega design's can keep up with NVidia, up to the 1080, so building on that they need to refresh the Vega line to bring it up to the next tier. Certainly not beyond their capability. I suppose a lot will depend on how far NVidia raise the bar with the next gen stuff, so to speak.

Your thoughts, so we can have a sensible discussion about it?
 
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