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Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by CAT-THE-FIFTH, Jun 28, 2018.

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Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

Poll closed Jul 28, 2018.
  1. Yes, Vega 7nm will be competitive

    9.9%
  2. Yes, but we will have to wait until Navi

    25.8%
  3. Yes, but it's going to be at least 3 "generations" of GPU

    22.1%
  4. No, NVIDIA have too much of a lead to overcome

    34.7%
  5. No, Intel's GPUs will be a significant threat when released

    7.5%
  1. melmac

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    The hype isn't all AMD's fault though. They went out of their way to make sure everyone knew that Polaris was going to be a mainstream card replacing the 380. Had a press release and everything. And yet, still, some people thought it was going to be faster than the 980ti. Remember the frenzy in here by some people? Gibbo had to come in and sort of break the NDA to calm everybody down.
     
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  2. nashathedog

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    Some people :rolleyes:

    I'm not sure why people believed that, Wasn't it WCCFtech who fueled the flames? and to make matters worse Koduri started mentioning WCCF by name on other matters giving them credence which takes me back to him being as slippery as an eel. :D
     
  3. CAT-THE-FIFTH

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    WCCFtech and their "beast mode" RX480 cards. LMAO.

    I remember in the Polaris thread,I even posted one of the leaks from China weeks before the launch which said the RX480 would be close to a R9 290/390 and still people believed WCCFtech. AMD even said it was entry level for VR and entry level for VR was an R9 290 on the AMD side at the time.
     
  4. melmac

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    Ah, crap!! sorry, I meant to write some people!! Edited my post. Thanks!! :)
     
  5. Panos

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    WCCFtech did the same with Vega, and look at the 11xx series (or what ever is called).
    Since last September (2017) there is always few weeks apart and article stating "end of the year", "January", March, April, May, July, August.
    And they make a big announcement last few days about the "august release", even if back in April Nvidia had posted that on the August 20th event they will be discussing about new gaming cards.

    Also back in 2016 their upcoming GTX1080Ti was even more hilarious. Every month after May 2016 it was supposed shortly in "few weeks". Some time they got it right in March 2017 :p
     
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  6. Zeed

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    Well price after the START ONES was plain retarded not a single sane person would gotten it at that price
     
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  7. nashathedog

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    Still people read fine too. :)

    It was disappointing that prices went up straight away, I was one of the people who ordered the card as soon as ordering went live, I was told it would be delivered tomorrow just for it to not turn up on the day & OCUK claimed they mixed up the orders, That really peed me off as I'd been practically begging them to take my money in advance which they wouldn't do, I ended up sitting here all morning waiting for ordering to start and still I didn't get one.
     
  8. CAT-THE-FIFTH

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    The major fail of Vega 56/64 is the production costs - apparently they had to buy Samsung HBM2 as the cheaper Hynix HBM2 was not available in time,and it made the cards even more expensive to make. Also the chip is quite big too,and things like the FP16 compute might prove useful in the future but is only used in some games.
     
  9. Marine-RX179

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    The problem with AMD's hardware in general seem to be always the case of being "ahead of their time", with the benefits coming so late that it no longer relevance to sales with the products already EOL for years.

    Remember we all gone for Intel quad-core/i5 over CPUs like the FX8350 because most game engines don't make use of the extra cores, and the core i CPU has much higher IPC and overclock like beast? Fast forward to today, with the upcoming games like the PC version of the Monster Hunter World that is hinted to be extremely CPU taxing and will use full extent of the 8 cores, the FX8350 may actually wipe the floor with same gen Intel quad-cores like the i5 2000~ i5 4000 K-series.
     
  10. Zeed

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    Ye only hmmm 7 years later when most dont have of fx of sandy :D
     
  11. GoogalyMoogaly

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    Yeah, I'm still looking forward to TrueAudio taking off!
     
  12. Marine-RX179

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    Not sure about people on the FX, but lots of people (myself included) are still rocking our overclocked Sandy, and only until now that really seem to be the time that we would actually need 8 cores CPUs :D

    lol I have completely forgotten about that, (probably so did the game developers lmao). Well, at least Freesync useful, and don't require devs support for it to work.
     
  13. LoadsaMoney

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    RTG



    :p
     
  14. melmac

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    Actually I think it's still going. Didn't they announce something earlier this year about working with Valve and Steam Audio? It's sort of like mantle, it has evolved to True Audio Next.
     
  15. 4K8KW10

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    Do you really believe this story?! :eek:

    People didn't go from Intel 2000 series to Intel 7000 series because of the not convincing performance increase.

    As to whether we need more cores, how about to check all forums to see how many people complain of stuttering with Intel setups?!
     
  16. melmac

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    Not sure what you are trying to say here. Check all the forums and see how many people have been complaining about stuttering with AMD setups.
     
  17. Panos

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    Btw for those believing still that AMD doesn't compete, have a look here

    http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Monst...cials/PC-Specs-Benchmark-Test-Review-1262273/

    A lot of GPU cards used for both companies, on a very demanding game with latest drivers.

    What I see is Nvidia trying to compete with AMD on cards bellow the halo products of the Titan and GTX1080Ti.
    Not the other way around.

    @CAT-THE-FIFTH maybe you should change the thread to "Do you thing Nvidia will be able to compete bellow halo products?" :D

    Also look at the R9 290X/390X. Seriously this one will die fighting over the next 5 years also....
     
  18. Muhammad.Abdelhameed

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    The 1080ti is 25% than a Vega LIQUID, where is AMD even competing?

    How about another recent game like Yakuz 0? The 1070 is beating Vega 64! Where is AMD even competing?

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  19. Gregster

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    Mate, this is being rather optimistic but it does bring a smile to my face. You have cherry picked a test and based your statement on that one game :D Whilst I admire your effort and commitment, it is probably best to look at many games and see what is what. Plus the fact that NVidia do have the trump card in the 1080Ti, which AMD have nothing to counter it with.
     
  20. 4K8KW10

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    This game is obviously not working correctly with the Radeons, and all of them. Investigation for the cause is needed.

    This is good practice because there are millions of users who upgrade as rarely as 10 years or more.
    If AMD can start convincing these people that AMD is the smarter choice, both sides will benefit a lot.

    Better than buying a currently fast dual core Intel that beats something AMD now, but will be obsolete in one year.

    This is why it is really stupid to prefer i7 8700 over Ryzen 1700/2700.